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Old 06-01-2018, 03:11 PM
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DLC Finish Info

Curious about the Nighthawk DLC finish, but can find little info about it. I'm not seeing it as an option for specific models on the NH website, nor is it listed on custom options lists. Searching for "DLC" on the NH site yields nothing.

Is the DLC finish known by another name?
Can it be spec'd on every model?

Any info would be appreciated!
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Old 06-01-2018, 06:43 PM
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The DLC (Diamond Like Carbon) finish is a PVD (Physical Vapor Deposition) type finish that is extremely tough and very durable.

Here is a quote from John Harrison’s website describing the DLC finish way better than I could myself:

DLC “is a hard black finish that is fairly new to the firearms market. It is a is a physical vapor deposition coating that has a 3-6 micron build up per surface (that's less than .005"). DLC can be applied to carbon steel, stainless steel, aluminum, over polished surfaces as well as matte surfaces. When bone-dry it is a dark charcoal color. With a little oil on it, it's black. It's hardness runs 70+ on the Rockwell "C" scale. I think it's the best all around option for a black firearms finish. It appears to be the equal to hard chrome in the durability and rust resistance departments.”



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Old 06-01-2018, 07:29 PM
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The DLC (Diamond Like Carbon) finish is a PVD (Physical Vapor Deposition) type finish that is extremely tough and very durable.

Here is a quote from John Harrison’s website describing the DLC finish way better than I could myself:

DLC “is a hard black finish that is fairly new to the firearms market. It is a is a physical vapor deposition coating that has a 3-6 micron build up per surface (that's less than .005"). DLC can be applied to carbon steel, stainless steel, aluminum, over polished surfaces as well as matte surfaces. When bone-dry it is a dark charcoal color. With a little oil on it, it's black. It's hardness runs 70+ on the Rockwell "C" scale. I think it's the best all around option for a black firearms finish. It appears to be the equal to hard chrome in the durability and rust resistance departments.”



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Thank you. Everything I've read seems to indicate it's a great finish. The pictures I've seen are very attractive too!

Is this an option for all new Nighthawk pistols now?

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Old 06-01-2018, 09:29 PM
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Thank you. Everything I've read seems to indicate it's a great finish. The pictures I've seen are very attractive too!

Is this an option for all new Nighthawk pistols now?

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I think it's available on all but the Agent 2 and VIP models. Unless things have changed.
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Old 06-02-2018, 01:36 AM
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I have DLC on a couple of my STI's. It's been a great finish so far. Very durable.
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Old 06-04-2018, 03:09 AM
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With a little oil on the gun I think the DLC finish, over highly polished flats, looks reminiscent of the old school Colt blueing.
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Old 06-06-2018, 10:41 AM
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I have three DLC'ed guns done by NHC (one is a Bull, the other two are non-NHC guns they worked on for me). It is probably my favorite finish now--super tough, very dark in color, like a bluing job that came out black. With polished flats it is a classy finish. As soon as i get some time I plan to post some pics of the work NHC did--turned out exceptionally well. Highly recommend.
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Old 06-06-2018, 01:42 PM
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I have three DLC'ed guns done by NHC (one is a Bull, the other two are non-NHC guns they worked on for me). It is probably my favorite finish now--super tough, very dark in color, like a bluing job that came out black. With polished flats it is a classy finish. As soon as i get some time I plan to post some pics of the work NHC did--turned out exceptionally well. Highly recommend.
I've been wondering about the polished flats issue. I have managed to find a few pictures online of Nighthawks with the DLC finish, but it's unclear to me whether they had polished flats or not. I imagine there is a certain amount of natural sheen to the finish to start with.

If you (or anyone) have a photo of yours with polished flats, I sure would love to see it!

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Old 06-07-2018, 04:38 PM
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Cajun Concealed has a YT vid of a NH Classic in DLC with polished flats. You can see it here:

https://youtu.be/7i00ASX3YXU
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Old 06-07-2018, 05:27 PM
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I think it's available on all but the Agent 2 and VIP models. Unless things have changed.
Thank you. Another source confirms this too for the record.
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Old 06-07-2018, 05:29 PM
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Cajun Concealed has a YT vid of a NH Classic in DLC with polished flats. You can see it here:

https://youtu.be/7i00ASX3YXU
Great! That is extremely helpful to see. Thanks for posting that link.
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Old 06-10-2018, 10:25 AM
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I am interested in a black DLC finish but have a few questions.

What about if you want a finish that has some matte to it....to help with slide manipulations? I am referring to a 3.5" Officers Model.

I am assuming it would depend on the metal preparation (which in my case would be stainless)

Also, if you don't oil the finish....would that change the appearance to matte and then would it be susceptible to splotchiness with finger oils?
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Old 06-10-2018, 11:47 AM
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The finish (gloss) of the dlc finish is determined by the treatment of the metal of you gun before coating. A high polish will give you gloss and so forth down..

DLC is a porous finish. It’s dark grey when not oiled and almost chalky. Black when oiled. Part of its corrosion resistance comes from its ability to hold oils in its porous makeup. And yes if you leave it dry it will show oil spots, but why wouldn’t you oil your guns.
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Trying to make a decision on a finish and educating myself. I am looking for a durable black finish that is not shiny/slippery.

Is not that I don’t want to oil it, I don’t want a shine.
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Old 06-12-2018, 12:13 PM
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Also, if you don't oil the finish....would that change the appearance to matte and then would it be susceptible to splotchiness with finger oils?
I had Evolution Armory IonBond DLC my Nighthawk and in my experience, yes if the finish is left without a coat of anything on it finger prints will look a little blotchy.

This finish is invincible though, I've had all kinds of different treatments done to my different guns and this is the most robust so far. Only wear is on the inside of the slide around the barrel locking area and the slide/frame rail(only wearing on the slide though). The exterior still isn't showing any wear from holster use. Admittedly, my 1911 gets more dryfire practice than actual range time lately but it is still in and out of the holster to do that.
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Old 06-12-2018, 11:48 PM
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Do you find the iobond finish slippery compared to other finishes?

I know a finish like NP3 is slick.
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DLC and Kydex?

Has anybody got direct experience with DLC finish and a Kydex holster? A finish applied by PVD and resistant to abrasion through hundreds/thousands of draws from a Kydex holster - that would be all I need to know.

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Old 02-02-2019, 09:09 AM
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Trying to make a decision on a finish and educating myself. I am looking for a durable black finish that is not shiny/slippery.

Is not that I don’t want to oil it, I don’t want a shine.
DLC doesn't have a texture of it's own, if the surface of the metal it's applied to is bead blasted/matte, then it will still be the same after the DLC is applied. If it's polished, it will be polished.

This gun was done in Ionbond DLC with polished flats and matte rounds and small parts. The polished areas stay polished the matte areas stay matte.
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To follow up... I did order a Bob Marvel with the DLC finish, and recently received it. I love it and am very happy I went with it. Fantastic gun too! Every aspect was perfectly executed by Nighthawk.

BTW- beautiful gun wc145!
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Has anybody got direct experience with DLC finish and a Kydex holster? A finish applied by PVD and resistant to abrasion through hundreds/thousands of draws from a Kydex holster - that would be all I need to know.

TIA
I have and had several guns done in Ion Bond, and have hundreds, if not thousands of draws from kydex. In my experience, the gun will look like it's wearing from the kydex, but in actuality it is the kydex being removed from the holster and stuck on the slide. A little Hoppes, and the kydex is removed, and the slide looks as new. Same with barrel hoods done in Ion Bond. Hundreds of rounds, and no signs of wear, unlike barrels with other black finishes, like an SA Pro with Black-T, which wears almost instantly from shooting. I highly recommend Ion Bond for a carry gun, especially if using a kydex holster.
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I have and had several guns done in Ion Bond, and have hundreds, if not thousands of draws from kydex. In my experience, the gun will look like it's wearing from the kydex, but in actuality it is the kydex being removed from the holster and stuck on the slide. A little Hoppes, and the kydex is removed, and the slide looks as new. Same with barrel hoods done in Ion Bond. Hundreds of rounds, and no signs of wear, unlike barrels with other black finishes, like an SA Pro with Black-T, which wears almost instantly from shooting. I highly recommend Ion Bond for a carry gun, especially if using a kydex holster.
... the kind of info I was seeking.

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To follow up... I did order a Bob Marvel with the DLC finish, and recently received it. I love it and am very happy I went with it. Fantastic gun too! Every aspect was perfectly executed by Nighthawk.

BTW- beautiful gun wc145!
Thanks and congrats on your purchase! Got pics?
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Thanks and congrats on your purchase! Got pics?
Sure! I need to get some better pics, but here's one...
First new gun for me in some time. Marvel with several tweaks:

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