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Old 02-25-2020, 02:33 PM
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What Gun Show Loophole? DOJ Study Shows That a "Gun-Show Loophole" Doesn't Exist

Florida: DOJ Study Shows That a "Gun-Show Loophole" Doesn't Exist

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In 2016, the U.S. Department of Justice conducted a study of prison inmates. Included in that study was the collection of data to show where prisoners get the guns they used in the commission of crimes. The DOJ Press Release explains how the study was conducted.
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Simply put, LESS THAN 1% of crime guns were purchased at gun shows while almost half of all guns used in crimes were purchased illegally from the underground/street black market.

Something many people here have know for decades.

Study shows that 43% of guns used by criminal obtained in a black market on the street trade between criminals. Less than 1% were obtained from gun show or any legal loophole.

File this one also in the "inconvenient truth folder" when it comes to gun grabbing policies.
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Old 02-25-2020, 02:49 PM
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You know as well as I do that all of Chicago's shootings are caused by guns imported from more tolerant states.

I say FOID to you all
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Old 02-25-2020, 02:51 PM
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Fancy that! An inconvenient truth, but I doubt it will change any minds in the membership of Everytown, Brady, MDA, DNC leadership,,,well you get the idea.
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Old 02-25-2020, 02:54 PM
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Hello!

Firearms and all other laws exist inside the gun show, period!

If you tell the lie often enough and long enough it becomes truth......according to the Liberal hand book on propaganda!

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Old 02-25-2020, 03:27 PM
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The reason for this is simple.. gun shows no longer sell real nice guns, just all the crap that the local dealers didn't sell in the past quarter and are now fire-saleling them off.

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Old 02-25-2020, 03:41 PM
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Facts, we don't need no stinkin facts.

We only need feelings.
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Old 02-25-2020, 05:47 PM
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Did the DOJ mention what percentage of inmates got their beef jerky from a gun show?
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Old 02-25-2020, 06:07 PM
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Did the DOJ mention what percentage of inmates got their beef jerky from a gun show?
No they didn't, but I have never left a gun show, not ever, without a package of spicy venison stick.
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Old 02-25-2020, 06:38 PM
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More simply put, the black market might well get its guns
through the gun shows where individual owners walk about
very often selling to strangers. They don't go to a
FFL dealer at the show. That can be part of the black
market.

Another of course comes from the "straw purchases" just
about any where where a legitimate buyer gets a gun but
with the full intention of reselling it in the "hood."

The general intent of closing the "loop hole" is to stop face
to face sales by private individuals where more opportunity
exists because of gun enthusiasts.

The exact wording of a new "loop hole" law has to be examined
to make sure it really isn't stepping on the legal sales by FFLs.
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Old 02-25-2020, 06:39 PM
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You guys have jerky at your gun show?

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Old 02-25-2020, 07:49 PM
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...The general intent of closing the "loop hole" is to stop face
to face sales by private individuals where more opportunity
exists because of gun enthusiasts...
That may be true, but I believe it is well established that guns used by criminals are generally stolen or borrowed from relatives.

Very few people will buy a gun through a FFL solely to resell on the black market to criminals. I am not saying that it never happens, but very unlikely, and the DOJ study doesn't show that its how guns end up in criminal hands.

Also most of the gun shows I attend here in Florida require background checks and the vendors to be FFL. The FDLE and the ATF actually have done sting operations against unlicensed gun sellers that were buying guns and then reselling. There were several that would do the gun show circuit on a regular interval and they got caught and weeded out. A few years back there was a year long investigation where undercover agents sold guns to these guys, and they were caught a few weeks later reselling the guns. It's one thing to sell off your private collection after years of accumulation and its another to buy and sell the same guns for profit. For that you need a license and must do background checks. But there is a grey area of when you go from private sell-off into a business. But that's for another debate.

So the ATF and FDLE made it clear that there were going to crack down. It's rare these days, because of the pressure on the show promoters by all the anti-gun municipalities to allow private table sales. I did used to see one or two at the large gun shows, but they are rare these days.
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Old 02-25-2020, 09:33 PM
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Weird, we have tons of people selling guns privately at gun shows. I figured it was perfectly legal as long as it's not their majority income.
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Old 02-26-2020, 11:55 AM
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All of the anti-gun politicians say if elected they'll close the gun show loophole because it fits their anti-gun agenda. They'd keep telling the loophole lie no matter what.
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Old 02-26-2020, 12:04 PM
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The anti- idiots don't even have a clue about how to purchase a firearm either at a show or a brick and mortar, or on-line.

They just parrot what another idiot claims to be true.
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