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Old 05-29-2020, 10:57 AM
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Alchemy Full Custom Build compared to Heirloom Precision?

If any of you own these two or have in-depth first hand experience, how well does an ACW Full Custom Build compare to an Heirloom Precision? Compare meaning- materials used like frame/slide, internals/small parts; fit; finish; accuracy; reliability; build philosophy; builder/client relationship.

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Old 05-29-2020, 01:20 PM
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Are you talking about an actual Full Custom Build as on the website or one of the production guns?

It's not quite an apples to apples comparison. We are starting with newly manufactured parts that are engineered to fit together very closely.

They build you a fantastic gun but I bet they would agree that the potential to build an even better gun would be there if they purchased their own frames and slides engineered to interface properly.

When you build from a Colt base gun you have some obstacles to clear.

1.) The frame to slide fit will likely need to be tightened via welding and re-machining the frame rails
2.) The trigger cutout might be a bit to tall which yields a bit of up/down play in the trigger. This would require some added material to the trigger shoe to mitigate.
3.) The cut between the tangs might be a bit wide which makes the grip safety somewhat loose. If you choose to fix that, more material must be added.
4.) The flats of the frame and slide won't be perfectly flat. So much so on the slides at times that you end up removing the markings and they require restoration.
5.) The magwell area of a Colt has always been a trouble spot. Wonky bevel jobs in the magwell are something that needs to be addressed, particularly if you would like to add a 1 piece magwell to the build. The blend can be compromised due to what's already there.

Once again, the H.P. guns are gorgeous and have quite a reputation among collectors, so I'm not downing them one little bit. Just trying to indicate what the difference can be between rebuilding a gun and actually building a custom gun from new pieces that were designed from the start to be a custom gun.
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Old 05-29-2020, 05:52 PM
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Two different approaches to the 1911. Both make excellent pistols if I was looking for a hard working gun that I could run hard and not worry about its long term cosmetics I would look long and hard at Alchemy Custom. If I was looking for an elegant shooter that is a functional piece of art that I can enjoy shooting and one day hand down to my son or daughter I would look at Heirloom Precision.

That is not to day the Alchemy Custom is not beautiful or that you can't run a Heirloom gun hard it just seems to me that there are different philosophies behind the builds. If one were truly lucky one would have both.
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Old 05-29-2020, 06:28 PM
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Yes, your full custom build.
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Old 05-30-2020, 09:49 AM
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Both build great pistols .

build philosophy :
#1 JASON is a great guy . He loves what he does , He has his
take on the 1911 . Its different then Rob , its an Elegant style , with a modern
take . He switches it up with railed 1911's . Rob does not .

#2 Rob is a great guy as well . With an Evil grin and arms that could crush
you to a pulp . Loves what he does . Rob has a different take then Jason .
Its a modern Retro style with class .

builder/client relationship :
I've never bought a pistol from Jason . I've talked with him a couple of times
. I don't see him ever letting his customers down in that department .

Rob is and knows CS . From what I've seen over the years . Rob has a
relationship with YOU , and the pistol , he built for YOU . ACW is Rob

Good luck with your choice
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Old 05-30-2020, 11:06 AM
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Have we seen an Alchemy Full Custom, one of the six a year $7000 guns?
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Have we seen an Alchemy Full Custom, one of the six a year $7000 guns?
They show one on their website. When you get into true custom guns at this level a lot is going to come down to personal preferences. It is going to be about matching your vision of your perfect 1911 with a builder who shares your aesthetic. In the end there will be very little if anything that will make one universally and objectively better than the other. For me you have to call and talk with the smith. You have to ask them about their approach. You have to consider what you want in a bespoke 1911 vs what they offer. When you get to this level the gun is an artistic expression of the builder and a personal expression of the buyer. IMHO

My advice would be to call both shops and have a conversation with them and one will stand out for you more than the other. In the end neither might be your guy and you might have to keep looking for your smith. If that makes sense. One thing to consider is that I think Jason Burton's book is currently closed.
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We all know there is no one answer. So get both and report back.
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We all know there is no one answer. So get both and report back.

Great idea . Scott you could then be the Heirloom , ACW authority .
The big man , The head cheese , Number one go to guy .
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