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Old 08-01-2020, 08:50 PM
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Bull Barrel Flat-wire spring set up?

I have a friend textimg me. He has a Full-Size WC pistol in 45 acp with bull barrel. He wants to install a flat-wire recoil spring and full-length guide rod. The issue we can't solve is this: The flat-wire spring guide rod is much smaller in diameter than the full-size guide rod with round wire spring (standard spring). So it will require a bull barrel plug that has a smaller diameter hole for the smaller diameter guide rod, but neither of us see an appropriate bull barrel plug on WC's website for this set up.

Has anyone encountered this?

Does anyone have a Full-Size 45 acp with bull barrel, full length guide rod and flat wire recoil spring?
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Old 08-01-2020, 09:21 PM
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I have a friend textimg me. He has a Full-Size WC pistol in 45 acp with bull barrel. He wants to install a flat-wire recoil spring and full-length guide rod. The issue we can't solve is this: The flat-wire spring guide rod is much smaller in diameter than the full-size guide rod with round wire spring (standard spring). So it will require a bull barrel plug that has a smaller diameter hole for the smaller diameter guide rod, but neither of us see an appropriate bull barrel plug on WC's website for this set up.

Has anyone encountered this?

Does anyone have a Full-Size 45 acp with bull barrel, full length guide rod and flat wire recoil spring?
If you read the text on the WC flat wire kit for a 5" you'll find they have a flat wire full length guide rod #25GRFW. The kit comes with a plug that has the proper sized hole. No need to replace the barrel bushing.
Have a look.

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Old 08-01-2020, 09:56 PM
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If you read the text on the WC flat wire kit for a 5" you'll find they have a flat wire full length guide rod #25GRFW. The kit comes with a plug that has the proper sized hole. No need to replace the barrel bushing.
Have a look.

That plug won't work since a Bull Barrel doesn't have a bushing.
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Old 08-01-2020, 10:38 PM
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They sell a plug that works with the 4.25" Kimber Pro. It doesn't have a bushing for the same reason. I would give them a call. Their support is very good. I'm sure they have the answer to the issue. I have one of their kits in a Pro Carry that worked wonders over the OEM spring.
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Old 08-02-2020, 10:01 AM
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If you read the text on the WC flat wire kit for a 5" you'll find they have a flat wire full length guide rod #25GRFW.
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That plug won't work since a Bull Barrel doesn't have a bushing.
A determined man could buy that rod and a #584 reverse plug closed end and have it drilled .257" with a suitable spring from Wilson, EGW, ISMI, or Glock.
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Old 08-02-2020, 07:47 PM
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All my pros (4") have the flat-wire recoil spring and guide rod.
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Old 08-05-2020, 12:01 AM
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If you send it in Wilson can do it. An Xtac elite 5” bull barrel I ordered was built with a flatwire recoil setup.
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Old 08-05-2020, 10:16 AM
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If you send it in Wilson can do it. An Xtac elite 5 bull barrel I ordered was built with a flatwire recoil setup.
It must be being built with the short guide rod and not the full length guide rod.

Update: my friend sent me the email he received from WC.

WC does not make this set up. Full-Size WC pistol in 45 acp with bull barrel, flat-wire recoil spring and full-length guide rod.
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Old 08-07-2020, 12:24 AM
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If you send it in Wilson can do it. An Xtac elite 5” bull barrel I ordered was built with a flatwire recoil setup.
It must be being built with the short guide rod and not the full length guide rod.

Update: my friend sent me the email he received from WC.

WC does not make this set up. Full-Size WC pistol in 45 acp with bull barrel, flat-wire recoil spring and full-length guide rod.
That must be a new thing since I have one set up just like that
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Old 08-08-2020, 02:35 PM
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I have a full size 38 super with a bull barrel and flat-wire spring

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Old 08-08-2020, 03:37 PM
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I have a full size 38 super with a bull barrel and flat-wire spring

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Yes, but apparently not possible with the features listed below. (You don't have a full-length guide rod.)


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Old 08-08-2020, 04:55 PM
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tj - his picture looks to me like a bull barrel with reverse plug, although it is in .38 Super. The reverse plug would indicate to me that it has the FLGR. To be fair, I haven't seen that configuration before now.
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Old 08-08-2020, 05:41 PM
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tj - his picture looks to me like a bull barrel with reverse plug, although it is in .38 Super. The reverse plug would indicate to me that it has the FLGR. To be fair, I haven't seen that configuration before now.
That's likely equipped with a GI guide rod (short guide rod). A FLGR should be seen in his photo and be flush with plug, slide and barrel. If there was a FLGR in that photo we should be able to see the end of the FLGR.

My friend sent me WC's response to this question.

Here's that response "Hello, XXXX we do not make reverse plugs for flat wire springs with full-size bull barrels. Since your reverse plug appears to have an open end, you should be able to just use our spring and rod. You will be able to see some of the spring around the guide rod once installed. This is not an issue for functionality." End quote.

The diameter of the full size guide rod for a flat wire spring is smaller than the diameter of the full size guide rod with standard coil spring.

So I guess it can technically work with his old reverse plug, but the diameter of the guide rod hole in the original reverse plug will be too big in comparison to the smaller diameter flat wire spring FLGR when installed.

My friend did install it as WC suggested, and sent me the photo, but it just doesn't look correct since the hole in the plug is for the larger diameter guide rod.

For this to look correct, a new reverse plug should be made with the smaller diameter hole for the smaller diameter FLGR.

Hope this makes sense.

I guess I'm too detail oriented and care about aesthetics as well as function.

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Old 08-08-2020, 06:21 PM
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You are correct about the different diameters tj - the flat wire spring guide rod is .250", and the round wire spring guide rod is a little bigger (I don't remember the exact dimension. I don't blame you for being too detail oriented and caring about the aesthetics; at this level of gun, many people do and I don't have a problem with that.
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Old 08-08-2020, 09:17 PM
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Good news, looks like WC made a plug for him. My friend just sent me these photos. It looks much better now. The part number doesn't come up on a search on WC's website.

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Good news, looks like WC made a plug for him. My friend just sent me these photos. It looks much better now. The part number doesn't come up on a search on WC's website.

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Will Wilson make another? I tried to do the same thing about 2 years ago With my CQBE 5 inch 45 but hit the same dead end.
I ordered and have the FWRS and FL guide rod somewhere.
The FLGR looks better.
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Old 08-09-2020, 01:32 PM
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Will Wilson make another? I tried to do the same thing about 2 years ago With my CQBE 5 inch 45 but hit the same dead end.
I ordered and have the FWRS and FL guide rod somewhere.
The FLGR looks better.
I must give credit where credit is due. Wilson employees are among the finest people I have ever met.

If enough people are interested in this part, I'd bet they will make more and catalog them in their website with part number.

But for now, I'd go ahead and contact them. Ask them to make you one too. You can send them the photos and part number from this thread.

It just makes sense to offer this plug.
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Old 08-09-2020, 04:36 PM
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Glad they got it sorted for you... CS has exceeded expectations

This is my 5" bull barrel, 9mm with a FLGR & flatwire RS... after out for a few hrs of fun!
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That "gas star" looks like a lot of fun was had!
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Old 08-09-2020, 05:49 PM
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This is my 5" bull barrel, 9mm with a FLGR & flatwire RS... after out for a few hrs of fun!
That recoil spring cover is the way to go. IMO that looks outstanding!!
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I must give credit where credit is due. Wilson employees are among the finest people I have ever met.

If enough people are interested in this part, I'd bet they will make more and catalog them in their website with part number.

But for now, I'd go ahead and contact them. Ask them to make you one too. You can send them the photos and part number from this thread.

It just makes sense to offer this plug.
I think I’ll give them a call. Maybe, it will get done this time. Is that part # valid with Wilson?

In the meantime the link below shows all of the variants from Birdy’s Supergrade Unplugged thread.

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They had a full size barrel support style plug with the .2570" hole, but must be out of stock, so for another I bought the blank style and ground a step drill, the one at the right end, that centers the drill in the spring channel.

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Also made a bunch of rods and plugs for the flat wire springs by converting the GI style rod and plug. Drilled the plug and cut the rod short to still center a buffer and threaded in a 1/4" rod. I made the rods long enough to flush out with the plug, as I like the flush look better.

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Nice work log man.
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