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Old 01-27-2020, 06:51 PM
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The A01-LD is a Custom Shop gun. That's what the "C" after CZ stands for.
Glad someone finally picked up on that.....
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Old 02-17-2020, 09:31 PM
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Springfield makes a Range Officer target model in 9mm
I have one and though it is a bit on the rough side finish wise, the price is right and it is the best accuracy 9mm I own.

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Old 02-18-2020, 07:34 AM
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I have a SAO SIG P226 that I really like. Good build quality. Controls similar to the 1911. And reasonably accurate. It's a really solid platform and worth checking out
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Old 02-18-2020, 11:41 AM
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Most 1911 9mm guns from various mfg's use the same barrel twist as the 1911 .45acp, which is a 1:16 rifling twist rate.... this barrel twist rate is OK for IDPA at distances out to 25 yards or so....but for superb accuracy in a 1911 9mm, I believe a faster twist rate is better.

For any 1911 9mm to be extremely accurate, the first thing needed is a very good barrel fit, where the slide stop properly supports the lower lugs of the barrel, the barrel is a very close tolerance if using a barrel bushing or if using a bull barrel, the barrel is properly centered in the slide so the hood extension is a good and close fit and long enough to lightly touch the slide at full lock up.....

I believe the optimal twist rate for accuracy with a 1911 9mm is a 1:24 twist, or even a 1:32 twist (with the right ammo!)

I recently ordered a KKM Precision 9mm 5" W/N ramped bull barrel with a 1:32 twist.....it will take 12 weeks to deliver, since this is not a commonly requested barrel. I hope to build a very accurate STI 2011 9mm with the KKM barrel.....and since I handload for all my firearms, I am sure I will find a very accurate reload using 115 grain JHP bullets.....
It seems most manufacturers disagree with that.
Most seem to stick with 1:16 for 9mm.

Twist rate in a 5" barrel seems a lot less important than in a rifle.

Maybe is a dedicated match pistol?
Maybe?
But at what cost?
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Old 02-18-2020, 01:06 PM
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If not if there are any competitors to the pm9 in the same price range I would be interested.
As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, Springfield RO or RO Elite in 9mm should do well. My .45 RO is very accurate.
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:58 PM
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I have to ask, what was wrong with that FN Belgium Browning? It's one of the best 9mm pistols besides the original, older Sig P210 pistols???

In any event, I have two 9mm CZ 75 pistols. One a regular CZ 75 and the other one a CZ 75B. Both are great pistols that are super reliable and super accurate. I also have several HK P7M13 and M8 pistols. These are also super reliable and super accurate. You can't do much better than either. The CZ's are a lot cheaper than the HK P series, but, the P7series are a lot faster on conducting combat reloads during timed stages of multiple rounds requiring magazine changes with continued shooting.

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Old 02-19-2020, 12:06 AM
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Most 1911 9mm guns from various mfg's use the same barrel twist as the 1911 .45acp, which is a 1:16 rifling twist rate.... this barrel twist rate is OK for IDPA at distances out to 25 yards or so....but for superb accuracy in a 1911 9mm, I believe a faster twist rate is better.

For any 1911 9mm to be extremely accurate, the first thing needed is a very good barrel fit, where the slide stop properly supports the lower lugs of the barrel, the barrel is a very close tolerance if using a barrel bushing or if using a bull barrel, the barrel is properly centered in the slide so the hood extension is a good and close fit and long enough to lightly touch the slide at full lock up.....

I believe the optimal twist rate for accuracy with a 1911 9mm is a 1:24 twist, or even a 1:32 twist (with the right ammo!)

I recently ordered a KKM Precision 9mm 5" W/N ramped bull barrel with a 1:32 twist.....it will take 12 weeks to deliver, since this is not a commonly requested barrel. I hope to build a very accurate STI 2011 9mm with the KKM barrel.....and since I handload for all my firearms, I am sure I will find a very accurate reload using 115 grain JHP bullets.....



This has been bothering me all day, and I didi't know why.

Reading your post again I thing I see the question.

How is 1 in 32" twist rate faster than 1 in 16"

Something looks backwards to me...
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:20 AM
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To DCboffin: As for the Sig P226. It is one of my oldest guns with more than 25,000 flawless rounds. NEVER an issue of any kind. Target, competition, or anything. All ammo including handloads.
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Old 02-19-2020, 08:34 PM
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Browning HP if you can find one are willing to pay.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:36 AM
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Fishman,
I had occasional hammer follow with my PM9 which Dan Wesson said was due to my manipulation of the trigger. I sent my gun to a real 1911 gunsmith (John Vincent) and told him to make the trigger light, safe and fantastic with a short roll. He replaced the sear spring with a Colt, cleaned up the hammer/sear interface and I now have a 2.5 pound trigger with a short roll. Its wonderful. No more hammer follow either.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:53 AM
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Anybody know what this is worth? Inherited it
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:58 AM
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To DCboffin: As for the Sig P226. It is one of my oldest guns with more than 25,000 flawless rounds. NEVER an issue of any kind. Target, competition, or anything. All ammo including handloads.
I believe it. My p226 has a lot fewer rounds through it, but it has the feel (at not even 1k rounds) of a gun that will be around forever with proper care.

Mine has been absolutely flawless - and I'm looking forward to the next 24k rounds

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Old 02-21-2020, 11:46 AM
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Browning HP if you can find one are willing to pay.
....and you don't mind a crappy trigger pull.....
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Old 02-21-2020, 06:44 PM
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Had a Belgium FN Herestal hp with the crappy trigger pull as TRS Otto indicates. It's the mag safety that screws it up. Thumb safety was wonky and did not inspire confidence. It was accurate. I did disconnect the mag safety but trigger was really not good anyway.

I am very happy with the PM 9. It's well broken in and runs flawlessly with 115g ammo. It is stupid accurate and has minimal recoil. If you run some .45 230g through another 1911 and then fire the PM 9 it's a huge difference.

Have a Baer on the way in proper caliber. Can't wait!
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Old 03-10-2020, 05:32 PM
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My most accurate 9mm guns Are
Cz Shadow 2 orange, cz tso, Sig p210.
I have yet to try a Les Baer premier II in 9mm as my 45ACP model with the 1 1/2 inch guarantee is plenty accurate.
Out of the first three, the gun that performs the best in most hands (other than mine) is the tso. Trigger pull is the easiest to master of the three. It is light at around 2lbs, clean and crisp.
If I had to keep, only one, Shadow 2 orange all the way.
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