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Old 03-24-2020, 06:09 PM
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My story about the 44 magnum revolvers

Back during the 70’s when the s&w m29 was selling on the black market by the wholesalers being scalpers I wrote colt and ruger letters( no internet yet).

I asked colt to make a copy of the python only larger in 44 mag, they wrote me back saying they had no intention of making a revolver in that caliber. They lied but way too late in manufacturing one.

I asked ruger to super size a security six to shoot the 44 mag round. They wrote back saying they had every intention of offering a da revolver in 44 mag in the future. They told the truth we had the Redhawk soon after.

I have these letters somewhere someday I’ll post them.
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Old 03-25-2020, 01:08 AM
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Back during the 70’s when the s&w m29 was selling on the black market by the wholesalers being scalpers I wrote colt and ruger letters( no internet yet).

I asked colt to make a copy of the python only larger in 44 mag, they wrote me back saying they had no intention of making a revolver in that caliber. They lied but way too late in manufacturing one.

I asked ruger to super size a security six to shoot the 44 mag round. They wrote back saying they had every intention of offering a da revolver in 44 mag in the future. They told the truth we had the Redhawk soon after.

I have these letters somewhere someday I’ll post them.
That's cool that you had the foresight that there might be market they would want to jump into, but it's a bit of a jump to say Colt lied about their plans. Given how many years elapsed between the time an exchange of letters in the '70s and when the Anaconda was released to market, I'd be surprised if anybody involved in the initial response was still with the company, at least in a marketing role. It doesn't take 10+ years to design a revolver and get it to market.
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Old 03-25-2020, 09:57 AM
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Back during the 70’s when the s&w m29 was selling on the black market by the wholesalers being scalpers...
It wasn't the wholesalers or distributors, it was the retailers. I bought a 29-2 and a 25-2 below MSRP at the time. The store was Sugarman's Eynon Drug in Eynon, PA (NE PA). You put your name on a list and they called you when your name came up. I still have both those guns...




Alas, Sugarman's is long since gone.

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Old 04-04-2020, 02:40 AM
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I was in the LGS when the owners were haggling the black market price with the wholesaler/ distributor guy. He was pulling new s$w m29’s out of his trunk. My buddy purchased a new m29/6.5” in nickel that day for $750. I think the list price was under $500 back then.
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Old 04-04-2020, 08:14 AM
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Back during the 70’s when the s&w m29 was selling on the black market

Unfamiliar as I was in elementary school. Curious to hear more about this "black market".
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Old 04-04-2020, 12:11 PM
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1911 Crazy------------ I find that amazing. You wrote letters to big companies about strategic planning & got real responses, crafted by humans, on the very subject you inquired about.

Wow. Nowadays you could write a big company asking a similar question & get this automated response:

"Thank you for contacting us at Acme Widgetgun. Customer service is our highest priority. Please see acmewidgetgun.com for information concerning our polices & products"

Things sure have changed.
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Old 04-04-2020, 10:07 PM
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Magman, your above post is so true, true, true. IMO, it's just one indicator of what's wrong with our country today.
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Old 04-05-2020, 07:30 AM
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A tad bit later S&W 629-1 (3” Round Butt) Lew Horton.

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Old 04-27-2020, 09:56 AM
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Both ruger and colt answered my letters but ruger came through with the Redhawk first. Colt lied but got into the 44 market too late. It’s a case of listening to your customers or not listening. You snooze you lose. Even today with colts main interest was the governments contracts. They need to get back in the revolver market there trying with the new python but they should of never discontinued it.
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Old 04-27-2020, 10:39 AM
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Colt didn't lie. They simply had no plans at that time to expand their commercial market because they were sitting fat and happy on their government/export M16 contracts. They didn't finally wake up until they lost the M16 contracts to FN in the late 1980s and suddenly realized they needed to take better care of their civilian consumers. Like you said though, too late.
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Old 04-27-2020, 01:12 PM
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Most possible ideas & avenues of production have already been considered by these companies.

Telling a gun company "hey, you should make X Gun in X caliber" is likely not a new idea.

They have probably already considered, and rejected that one. However, if thousands of different people send them the same suggestion they may reconsider!

Heck, if I suddenly got 10,000 letters clamoring for magazineman-made cookies I'd learn how to bake & go into the business.

Because, as a general rule, when money is offered, I accept it.

I think most folks are that way!
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Old 04-27-2020, 03:46 PM
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Old 04-27-2020, 05:00 PM
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Pizza Bob,

I made some purchases at Eynon Drug myself back in the 1970's when I lived in the Wilkes-Barre /Scranton area. I also purchased a Mod 29, 8 3/8" in 1978 at Jon's Cycle shop, in Plains Pa., not far from Eynon. There were alot of small shops of many types in that area that also had FFL's back then. I miss those days.
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Old 04-27-2020, 11:20 PM
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Most possible ideas & avenues of production have already been considered by these companies.

Telling a gun company "hey, you should make X Gun in X caliber" is likely not a new idea.

They have probably already considered, and rejected that one. However, if thousands of different people send them the same suggestion they may reconsider!

Heck, if I suddenly got 10,000 letters clamoring for magazineman-made cookies I'd learn how to bake & go into the business.

Because, as a general rule, when money is offered, I accept it.

I think most folks are that way!
Something also to consider, often a gun manufacturer receives a bunch of requests to come out with a new gun or maybe a new version of an existing model. Then once they finally do suddenly nobody seems to be in a huge hurry to go out and buy one. Ruger released a 10/22 in .22 Magnum after years of badgering from consumers, but then sales were slow and they ultimately discontinued it after just a few years.
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Old 04-27-2020, 11:29 PM
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Something also to consider, often a gun manufacturer receives a bunch of requests to come out with a new gun or maybe a new version of an existing model. Then once they finally do suddenly nobody seems to be in a huge hurry to go out and buy one. Ruger released a 10/22 in .22 Magnum after years of badgering from consumers, but then sales were slow and they ultimately discontinued it after just a few years.
I remember years ago when IMI came out with a pump action carbine in both .44 Magnum and .357 magnum. They called it the Timberwolf. I actually thought that it was a pretty cool little rifle. And it was well built as all of their stuff is.

I wanted to get one, but could not swing it at the time. Fast forward I shipped out for half a year. Then came back fat and happy. Looking for one, I asked about them with the guy that I was dealing with at the time. He told me that when they came out with them nobody wanted one and they could not sell them. So they were discontinued. Additionally he also informed me that since they had been discontinued. He had actually had a number of people come looking for them. Who would have thunk it?
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Old 04-28-2020, 09:23 AM
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I was in the LGS when the owners were haggling the black market price with the wholesaler/ distributor guy. He was pulling new s$w m29’s out of his trunk. My buddy purchased a new m29/6.5” in nickel that day for $750. I think the list price was under $500 back then.
Fast forward to 1987...I am at a gun show in VA Beach. A vendor has an actual pallet of new M29's. His price? Only $200 each. I bought one, but wish I had the $$$ to have purchased more of them.

Still have it, though it is merely a -3:

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Old 04-28-2020, 10:23 AM
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I purchased my 29-2 back in 1976. I had requested a 6 1/2 barrel. The LGS stated that they couldn't guarantee whether they would be sent a 6 1/2 or 8 3/8 gun. This was in the middle of the Dirty Harry craze. The 8 3/8 finally showed up. I took it. The LGS apologized for having to charge me the list price of $385.
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Old 04-28-2020, 01:27 PM
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Bought my 29-2 used in the early 1990s for about $275.... no box. My son now owns it, but I still Have it as my desktop wallpaper....
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I bought my brand new 29-3 4" around '87-88 from Security Equipment in Honolulu. I was working there at the time and the employee discount wasn't much but it was better than paying retail!

We had about a dozen of them in the safe--I asked the owner to look some over and pick out a good one for me, which he did.

I used it primarily for shooting rats at a pig farm--birdshot loads at close range with a flashlight, that was fun! Glad I didn't hit any pigs, they would have cost too much.

I still have it, it's one of a very few that I bought brand new, over the counter.

Once this corona lockdown is over I think I'll dig up some of my old reloads and have at it at the range.
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Old 04-28-2020, 09:03 PM
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I believe Dirty Harry hit the theaters in late 71...and .44 Mags were instantly the pistol of choice...I was in college and was too poor to pay attention, much less the scalper prices they were bringing...fast forward a couple of years and I was working for my Uncle and working on an engineering degree...the local convenient store also had an FFL... I always stopped in for beer and bread. Got to know the owner pretty well...and one there it was in his display case...I paid $50. and Mr. Blankenship let me make weekly payments until I paid off the $278. and tax price...he let me take it home the first day...the wooden case with blue velvet, like Mr. Blankenship, is long gone...he was a good man. I had a real combat trigger with a stop installed and had it Mag-Na-Ported...and I still have it with a lot of rounds sent down range...and here”s a picture of it taken last week...something to do staying home during the crushing of our Constitutional Right. The Detective Special is another story....thanks for letting me ramble...


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Old 04-29-2020, 02:10 PM
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If I remember correctly the Dirty Harry movie came out late in 71....I was in my first year of college, working, schooling, and drooling over that .44 Mag....too poor to pay attention...couldn’t even see one they were so popular...every day or so I would stop by this little convenience store for beer and bread. They had an FFL too...Mr. Blankenship was the owner and worked there most evenings and nights... fast forward a couple of years and I stopped in and there it was..6 inch blue on blue velvet in a wooden box...wow...I gave him $50. down, minimum wage was $1.85, and he let me pay on it every week. He also let me take it home that night, and gave me a box of “shells”...the wooden box, and Mr. Blankenship, are long gone...I believe I gave him $178. and tax for the Smith...Mr. Blankenship was a good man, and I still have the gun..I got a Combat trigger job and sent it away for Mag-Na-Porting...Thanks for letting me ramble...


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Old 04-29-2020, 10:26 PM
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Daddy wants a pin barrel Model 29. Patiently waiting for another barn find.
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Old 04-30-2020, 12:11 AM
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I never owned a .44 Magnum until two months ago, and in fact had only fired one on a single occasion nearly 30 years ago... just six rounds. I had absolutely no interest in the caliber as I don't hunt or do any silhouette shooting. What finally changed was when I began focusing my gun collecting on historically or culturally significant firearms, and a "Dirty Harry" Model 29 was a natural choice as it's probably the most iconic firearm in film history. And so I kept an eye out for one, occasionally seeing one for sale but always finding it grossly overpriced, badly abused and/or the wrong version. Finally I spotted this one at a LGS, and even though it's a no-dash and not a 29-2 I decided it was close enough so I bought it. Turns out it's even better than a -2 because it has the sought-after "coke bottle" grips, which I knew nothing about until after I purchased it!



Anyway, I have only had a chance to fire it once so far thanks to the plannedemic, and in the future will do so mostly with .44 Specials. I see no need to beat both myself and the gun up firing full-house .44 Magnum loads, although I did put six rounds through it when I fired it. That means I have now fired a grand total of twelve .44 Magnum rounds in my entire lifetime so far. Woo-hoo!
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Old 04-30-2020, 12:18 AM
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Fast forward to 1987...I am at a gun show in VA Beach. A vendor has an actual pallet of new M29's. His price? Only $200 each. I bought one, but wish I had the $$$ to have purchased more of them.

Still have it, though it is merely a -3:
Nice looking gun.

There is no reason to apologize for a -3. A -2 has nothing on a -3 except the suckers who are willing to pay a premium for features that are perceived to be attributes of higher quality but actually add no value. I'm glad S&W figured out what Colt and Ruger already knew about attaching barrels without needing to pin them and that S&W finally dispensed with the counter-bored chambers, which may have been cosmetically a little more appealing to some people but to me were just another set of recesses to collect grime.

You could argue that the 6 1/2" barrel length is more desirable, which I originally thought, too, but after carrying the gun out in the woods over the years, I never had a time where a longer barrel would have been an asset. On the contrary, there were more than a few times a barrel a half inch to an inch shorter might have been a little easier to live with.
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Old 05-03-2020, 04:51 PM
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I really dig the .44 Mag. I love shooting it. I bought my first .44 at a gunshow in Houston, TX, when I lived there back in about 1993. A Model 29 Classic. Deep blue, Python like shine to it. Round butt, which I didn't particularly care for, but it did help me to handle the recoil. Beautiful gun.



Then came a 5 1/2" Ruger Redhawk, a couple of Smith 629-1's (one of which I sold) and a Colt Anaconda.





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