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Old 03-05-2020, 03:10 PM
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Comrade Bernie gets his gun!

Gotta love this.

https://www.classicfirearms.com/cz-u...75-b-cold-war/
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Old 03-05-2020, 03:54 PM
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Years ago I remember reading an article on how the Soviets used to execute and purge party members during the Stalin years, and there was one executioner that would prefer a German made PPK in .32 ACP (IIRC). He didn't trust Soviet made guns to do the trick. They were deemed unreliable

This one guy killed some 7000 people with his own gun in one month. The method was to bring the prisoner into a darkened room or hallway and quicky place the gun to the prisoner's head and with one shot of the .32 ACP, before the prisoner knew what was about to happen, pulled the trigger. It was said his method was 100% reliable. Never had a splotched job. Talk about how ineffective a .32 ACP is... if the shot is at the right place in the skull... it's plenty lethal.

I can't find the original article but the one below pretty much sums it up.

https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/vas...n-executioner/
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Old 03-05-2020, 04:18 PM
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Polymer Man That's the difference in most all defensive shootings and a control subject be shoot from a purely offensive position from behind . If a 22lr can turn off the brain of a hog far larger than the average a man why wouldn't a 32acp . That man is one sick critter .
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Old 03-05-2020, 04:31 PM
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Old 03-05-2020, 05:08 PM
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I have a coworker from cuba. He said if bernie gets elected he will probably swim back.
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Old 03-05-2020, 06:24 PM
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Executioner Blokhin did not use a .32 or a .22. He used a Walther in .25 acp
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Old 03-05-2020, 07:52 PM
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From Wikipedia:

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...each prisoner was brought in and restrained by guards while Blokhin shot him once in the base of the skull with a German Walther Model 2 .25 ACP pistol. He had brought a briefcase full of his own Walther pistols, since he did not trust the reliability of the standard-issue Soviet TT-30 for the frequent, heavy use he intended. The use of a German pocket pistol, which was commonly carried by German police and intelligence agents, also provided plausible deniability of the executions if the bodies were discovered later.
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Old 03-05-2020, 08:13 PM
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One often overlooked aspect of contact gunshot wounds to the head is the often catastrophic collateral damage done by expanding and burning gases in the cranial interior. It turns the brain to mush. Upwards into the base of the skull would be very effective, and efficient, if such were your job.
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Old 03-05-2020, 08:54 PM
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If CZ really wanted to make a Cold War commemorative, they should put the flag of the victors on it instead of the losers.
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Old 03-05-2020, 10:41 PM
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I agree that a "commemorate" handgun with a hammer and sickle on it will likely go over like a lead balloon with American gun enthusiasts. I wouldn't mind having a genuine ComBloc Tokarev, Makarov or CZ-75 just for its historical significance, but no way am I going to buy a brand-new pistol that appears to celebrate communism.
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Old 03-05-2020, 11:24 PM
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I agree that a "commemorate" handgun with a hammer and sickle on it will likely go over like a lead balloon with American gun enthusiasts. I wouldn't mind having a genuine ComBloc Tokarev, Makarov or CZ-75 just for its historical significance, but no way am I going to buy a brand-new pistol that appears to celebrate communism.
If it is made, detailed with the commie commemorative details, and imported from the Czech Republic, a former Soviet Bloc country, the people over there have miscalculated our market and our reception of anything communist. It wouldn't surprise me that Bernie Sanders popularity confuses the Europeans believing that we have a sizable socialist/communist population like they do in Europe.

A few years ago Mercedes Benz marketed a 'revolutionary' car with a portrait of Che Guevara. The theme was how revolutionary the car was. It didn't go very well in the USA and they retracted the marketing and apologized. The Cubans in Miami were in an uproar and protested at Mercedes Benz dealers.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2012/01/...l-luxury-cars/

You will be surprised how many Europeans accept communism and are receptive to communist ideology. When I used to frequent another forum that was mainly a political forum, I was amazed at how many Canadians and Brits visited Cuba, and actually believed that Castro was a good guy... just like Comrade Bernie.
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Old 03-05-2020, 11:52 PM
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if they want to honor somebody they should honor the people that died trying to get over the wall and fence
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Old 03-06-2020, 12:15 AM
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I absolutely loathe that pregnant walrus "Ben" from Classic Firearms and his sordid "hand select" scam. Both my Tokarev and SKS were in FAR worse condition than what was advertised...they looked like they traveled to the U.S. in a cement mixer full of ball bearings. Also, he loves to spew BS in his videos that this is "the last shipment of {gun name here}" and "will receive no more of these" blah, blah, blah...only to miraculously get ANOTHER shipment a month later. Only after I threatened to contact the Attorney General of NC and report deceptive business practices did they refund me the additional "hand select" fee I paid on both. I kept the Tok, dumped the SKS for a loss at a gun show. Hope that fat slob chokes on a pork chop.

Sorry, I know my rant has nothing to do with the topic of this thread...but the OP's link takes you to Classic Firearms, and it just pissed me off all over again. As for the Cold WAR Commemorative CZ..yeah, not interested at all in a 2019 pistol that commemorates Communism. Just as I wasn't interested in a $1200 Sig M17 that commemorates nothing but a difficult procurement process...fancy wood box be damned.
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Old 03-06-2020, 06:59 AM
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...but no way am I going to buy a brand-new pistol that appears to celebrate communism.
I saw the picture in the link and thought I was sure CZ offered those 10 - 15 years ago.

Then I went back and read the text in the ad

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The Soviet Army left their post in Eastern Europe in 1990-1991. To celebrate the 20 years of freedom CZ-USA offers 999 pcs of the Cold War Replica CZ 75B.
These guns were on the shelves 10 years ago. My guess is they didn't sell well then, and have been sitting in a warehouse somewhere for the past decade.

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Old 03-06-2020, 10:40 AM
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I put this solidly in the Commemorative Gun category. Right up there with Elvis-Themed commemorative plates offered by late night TV commercials (or the commemorative crap sold in American Rifleman)

Hey, if you have a plate that was actually owned & used by Elvis to eat banana burgers, then you really do have a legit collectible item, with a high monetary value.

But one, made a week ago, that came from an ad in the Parade Magazine newspaper insert is worth less than squat. It's highest & best use being skeet.

So a WW2 1911 is cool & forever increasing in value. And a WW2 COMMEMORATIVE 1911 being worth about the same as any other normal one of it's type.

Meaning, if something is made to be collectible it generally isn't. Phooey this trash. If you want a Cold War gun, buy a surplus Makarov.

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Old 03-06-2020, 09:19 PM
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All that Commemorative stuff is just another way to separate you from your money. Most if not all isn't worth anything. And if it ever becomes valuable it'll be in 100 yrs. and you won't be around to see it .
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Old 03-07-2020, 05:53 PM
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I own one of the older versions of this one ( they made two variations, one had a different trigger guard then the rest), and I purchased it for two reasons...

One, it was a good price ( when I got it at the shop that had it, it had been sitting for a while) and...

Two, it is as close as one can get to a PRE B cz 75, with correct spur hammer, short beaver tail, and round trigger guard as I could get.

The hammer and sickle stuff? Meh... but the gun itself is fantastic.
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Old 03-07-2020, 09:12 PM
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I had a pal who only owned Commemorative guns. Every gun he owned was one. All bought second hand.

I called him a fool but he set me straight.

He said: "All these guns were unfired & in perfect condition. They all have better finishes, and often better wood too, than standard models. All for the same second-hand gun prices"

And he used them all. Hard. No Safe Queens. Frankly, that's genius.
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Old 03-07-2020, 09:42 PM
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Get a real CZ75
https://czcustom.com/new-firearms/cz...ustom-9mm.html
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Old 03-08-2020, 12:59 AM
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Executioner Blokhin did not use a .32 or a .22. He used a Walther in .25 acp
This is correct.
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Old 03-08-2020, 01:02 AM
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Your friend certainly makes a good argument there.

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I had a pal who only owned Commemorative guns. Every gun he owned was one. All bought second hand.

I called him a fool but he set me straight.

He said: "All these guns were unfired & in perfect condition. They all have better finishes, and often better wood too, than standard models. All for the same second-hand gun prices"

And he used them all. Hard. No Safe Queens. Frankly, that's genius.
From a purely utilitarian perspective. But at some point you have to ask yourself. Do you really want to show up for a shoot with your friends with the Yosemite Sam commemorative Ruger Speed six?
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Old 03-08-2020, 01:31 AM
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He said: "All these guns were unfired & in perfect condition. They all have better finishes, and often better wood too, than standard models. All for the same second-hand gun prices"
Wow, that's fortuitous All the second-hand "commemorative" guns I've seen for sale in the DFW area come with commemorative prices...especially if "unfired". Tried to haggle with a guy who had the DW 50th Anniversary model. He was asking like $3200, which I believe was MORE than original MSRP...and I couldn't get him to budge. Truth-be-told, he wont have to. He just needs to be patient and he'll find some schmo to meet his price. That's the problem with North Dallas...too many people with more money than brains

Hell, used Glocks sell for more on TGT than I can buy them for brand new at GT Distributors. It's nuts.
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Old 03-08-2020, 03:29 PM
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I had a pal who only owned Commemorative guns. Every gun he owned was one. All bought second hand.

I called him a fool but he set me straight.

He said: "All these guns were unfired & in perfect condition. They all have better finishes, and often better wood too, than standard models. All for the same second-hand gun prices"

And he used them all. Hard. No Safe Queens. Frankly, that's genius.
Thats what I'm talking about... makes perfect sense. Its a gun, get it to use, and get it for the features you want...

The cz 75 here is STILL a cz 75. Just with some atrocious aesthetic decsions.
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Old 03-08-2020, 06:57 PM
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What they say about the CZ 75 here is incorrect. Folks that know the CZ 75 know the story well.

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CZ USA 91116: Specifications and features: - CZ 75 Cold War Commemorative Edition semi-automatic handgun - 9x19mm Luger - 4.7 barrel - 17 round capacity - Thumb safety - Black synthetic grips - Black finish - 3 dot sights - Original spur hammer and round trigger guard - 35.2 oz. - It has been 20 years since the fall of communism in Eastern Block. During the Cold War Era CZ pistols could only be sold to the friendly communist countries. The Soviet Army left their post in Eastern Europe in 1990-1991. To celebrate the 20 years of freedom CZ-USA offers 999 pcs of the Cold War Replica CZ 75B. This is a 9mm Luger Cold War Commemorative Edition black polycoat original spur hammer and round trigger guard. It also features a Soviet Era Hammer & Sickles symbols as well as Soviet Red Star and Russian lettering.
The Czechs designed and made the CZ 75 for 9mm. If you recall the 9mm was never a Soviet or Eastern Bloc pistol round. The CZ75 was built directly for the export market and not for trade with the Soviet Union or other Eastern Bloc countries. None of the militaries in the Eastern bloc were armed with the 9mm and neither were the Soviets.

It's market was the global market particularly Western Europe. In that market it did very well. So well that it quickly became one of the most copied guns of the 80's and 90's. The Sphinx, and Tanfoglio among others made unlicensed copies of it. Czech patents weren't recognized internationally at the time.

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By 1969, František Koucký was freshly retired, however the company offered him a job on designing a new 9×19mm Parabellum pistol. Unlike during his previous work, this time he had a complete freedom in designing the whole gun from scratch. The design he developed was in many ways new and innovative (see Design details).[2]

Although the model was developed for export purposes (the standard pistol cartridge of the Czechoslovak armed forces was the Soviet 7.62×25mm Tokarev, which was later replaced with the Warsaw Pact standard 9mm Makarov pistol cartridge), Koucký's domestic patents regarding the design were classified as "secret patents". Effectively, nobody could learn about their existence, but also nobody could register the same design in Czechoslovakia. At the same time Koucký as well as the company were prohibited from filing for patent protection abroad. Consequently, a large number of other manufacturers began offering pistols based on CZ 75 design (see Clones, copies, and variants by other manufacturers).[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ_75

Neither were any CZ 75s adopted by any branch of the USSR. None officially ever had a Soviet Star on them.

The original Pre B CZ 75's were and are great guns. But they commemorate nothing about the USSR. Or for that matter "communism".

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Old 03-08-2020, 07:12 PM
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From a purely utilitarian perspective. But at some point you have to ask yourself. Do you really want to show up for a shoot with your friends with the Yosemite Sam commemorative Ruger Speed six?
I only have one commemorative, a Wells Fargo Winchester 94. I don't even have a WF bank account. I only bought it because I fell in love with the wood that's on it.
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