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Old 02-20-2020, 12:26 AM
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“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking:
What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?
Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?...
The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!
If... if...

We didn't love freedom enough.
And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation....
We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
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Additionally we also know that a number of people survived it. A good number of these survivors have been interviewed over the years. More often than not they are asked why they did not leave while they still could. Almost invariably the answer given is that they did not think that it was going to get that bad.

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Old 02-20-2020, 01:18 AM
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This has been an interesting trainwreck of a thread.
I hoped people would agree with me that giving to those fighting legal battles for our rights is THE logical step in our fight at this time, and for me that means giving up something else I want because at least two other financial duties are of higher priority for my family.
What's not logical is blurting out how many LEO's one is going to kill when they come SOMEDAY for our guns. Another ill-considered step is whining amongst ourselves as we all do, though it is comforting to share our losses, but it is not effective in educating people who are obviously poorly educated by our vaunted public (AND private!) education systems.

I explained how idiotic burying guns is, at least at this point to discuss it is as it is foreshadowing a time when we can't shoot out in the open or even allow anyone to know we have guns.
In short, my point was that we had better start doing whatever is effective in the proper steps NOW, even when it hurts, because kids growing up now may never have the option of owning even a pellet gun.

Think of what it takes to own a pellet gun in England today, then think of your grandson or daughter remembering all grandpa's guns and how much joy they brought him, yet only through great sacrifices of effort will they be able to go through all the hoops necessary to buy and shoot that pellet gun, someday in our near future!

To me it seems a bit selfish to even keep all my best pieces when the money their sale might earn could help shoot down another moronic law! At this point supporting legal means is the only logical step I can see now. Maybe tomorrow I'll have to bury my guns.

I've opposed those people all my life, and it's they who should not enjoy nice things, I've worked hard to buy the guns I own. On the other hand I have at least 50 now, would having 60 guns compared to suddenly learning that our gun rights had been secured by a landmark legal judgment?

There is another logical step some folks could take, some way of educating people dumbed down into near unconsciousness by the boob tube into a revelation of the geniuses who formed this country, how beautiful their writings and eloquently they argued for our rights for every contingency their eyes could see.

I'm sure many of us have come to the conclusion that allowing without response some half wit to state arrogantly that we don't need guns is wrong, so wrong that risking friendships is justifiable. And some may even think about how best to answer such times in ways that may even get the fat heads to think better.

There has to be a way to win people's minds over to such admirable thoughts as those left us in the Constitution.
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Old 02-20-2020, 02:50 AM
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Wow! Moral clarity here in 2020 in an America that cherishes moral relativism. Who'd a' thunk it?

Col Colt and others here, thank you!

In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.
Judges 21:25

This is what those who support leftest causes want for this nation, whether they be politicians, media, or voters. They desire Godlessness so they can do whatever they want to do without suffering any retribution of moral judgement. Thing is, they want to do it to you!
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Old 02-20-2020, 03:26 AM
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partsproduction, you are on to something! Yes, we all need to contribute financially, and I am setting aside a manageable sum of money to contribute to the "area of greatest need" as things develop. Much better to build organizations and change minds in the Legislature than to have to contemplate the unthinkable. I hope everyone here understands that a peaceful resolution based on combined strength and reason is the answer - if it comes to violence everyone has failed!

And You are so right about educating the public (starting with those closest to us) about the beauty and majesty of the Founders writings and logic - based on sound principles that Never Change. Time for all of us to dust off our copies of the Constitution - and the Bible, and start remembering why this all matters. As a 2nd Amendment Source, I recommend The Second Amendment Primer - you will find the brilliance you are speaking of in many Great American's words there.

James R., those are sobering words everyone in America should read - and understand - "It CAN happen to You!" CC

PS - Thanks for all the appreciation, it gladdens the heart, but it humbles me, too. I wish I had all the Right words to turn some of these well meaning but not understanding Souls back to the Light!
I like to think all the study I have done - and continue doing - may yet serve some higher purpose. Let's keep talking about our wonderful Founders and their Documents - that made the World a much more free Place. CC
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Old 02-21-2020, 12:44 AM
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Thanks for the clarity of your words Co. Colt, I wish I had your eloquence.

Game day is that day when we all realize how badly things have gotten in our Nation, that we really are in danger of losing all that the Founder's laid their lives on the line for.

Looking back it seems clear to me that Americans since that time never understood the reasoning behind the second amendment, else things would have "Hotted up" several times in the past, and they should have!
It is not unAmerican to threaten violence as payment for treasonous actions IMO, not idle threats, but threats backed by planning, threats by a strong center, not by individuals.
I agree with Col.Colt, by every means avoid violence until it is demanded by the Constitution, our fight against tyranny is not optional, it is called for by the Founders! We owe them to preserve our Nation as recipients of such a grand design! Thus far and no farther or our country dies! It will never get more serious than it is right now!
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Just so you know: NSSF: The estimated total number of firearms in civilian possession from 1986-2018 is*422.9 million, according to data reported in the ATF’s Firearms Commerce Report in the United States 2019 report and including the preliminary 2018 Annual Firearms Manufacturing and Exportation Report (AFMER) figures.

An estimated*8.1 billion rounds, of all calibers and gauges, were produced in 2018 for the U.S. market.
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:04 AM
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There is another logical step some folks could take, some way of educating people dumbed down into near unconsciousness by the boob tube into a revelation of the geniuses who formed this country, how beautiful their writings and eloquently they argued for our rights for every contingency their eyes could see.

I'm sure many of us have come to the conclusion that allowing without response some half wit to state arrogantly that we don't need guns is wrong, so wrong that risking friendships is justifiable. And some may even think about how best to answer such times in ways that may even get the fat heads to think better.

There has to be a way to win people's minds over to such admirable thoughts as those left us in the Constitution.
Sorry my friend, I'm here to tell ya that we will not be changing anybody's mind. You see, I've recently gained a window into the left via an old friend I found on Facebook. She's a millennial, like me, and a hard core lefty socialist. Over the last two months I've exploited this window all I could, and have come up with some profound conclusions and two incredible ironies. I'll spare you the details, but suffice it to say, they are completely lost as human beings. It's not that they can't think, they don't want to think. They don't care if they're wrong. Nothing you say or do is going to change their mind about anything. Period. Believe me, I've tried.

Unbelievably, she still hasn't blocked me yet. But yesterday I officially closed my investigation. She's still my friend, I guess. But she will be given no quarter on the battlefield.
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As soon as I can arrange my thoughts in an orderly way I'll write an essay or something on the subject. Doubt anybody's going to want to read it, but what I found is absolutely shocking. It's far worse than we thought.
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:16 AM
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As soon as I can arrange my thoughts in an orderly way I'll write an essay or something on the subject. Doubt anybody's going to want to read it, but what I found is absolutely shocking. It's far worse than we thought.
Do it. Write the essay. You will be surprised how many will read it. You will also find it carthartic and you will gain in the process.
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Sorry my friend, I'm here to tell ya that we will not be changing anybody's mind. You see, I've recently gained a window into the left via an old friend I found on Facebook. She's a millennial, like me, and a hard core lefty socialist. Over the last two months I've exploited this window all I could, and have come up with some profound conclusions and two incredible ironies. I'll spare you the details, but suffice it to say, they are completely lost as human beings. It's not that they can't think, they don't want to think. They don't care if they're wrong. Nothing you say or do is going to change their mind about anything. Period. Believe me, I've tried.

Unbelievably, she still hasn't blocked me yet. But yesterday I officially closed my investigation. She's still my friend, I guess. But she will be given no quarter on the battlefield.
I see the same thing especially with people under 30. Their entire life they have been subjected to the Leftist perspective. They have been indoctrinated from the cradle by media, education, and entertainment and it's all they know. They are dyed in the wool. Now they are ready to act.
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Do it. Write the essay. You will be surprised how many will read it. You will also find it carthartic and you will gain in the process.
Will do. I think those that do read it will find it very interesting, and quite enraging.
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As soon as I can arrange my thoughts in an orderly way I'll write an essay or something on the subject. Doubt anybody's going to want to read it, but what I found is absolutely shocking. It's far worse than we thought.
I will look forward to reading it Jamie...
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As soon as I can arrange my thoughts in an orderly way I'll write an essay or something on the subject. Doubt anybody's going to want to read it, but what I found is absolutely shocking. It's far worse than we thought.



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I see the same thing especially with people under 30. Their entire life they have been subjected to the Leftist perspective. They have been indoctrinated from the cradle by media, education, and entertainment and it's all they know. They are dyed in the wool. Now they are ready to act.
Absolutely, and the hate is like nothing I've ever experienced before. I was really taken back by that part because I've heard the word hate a lot and thought I knew what I meant. I was wrong. Believe me, they hate you, They genuinely hate you. In the literal sense of the word and taken to it's maximum meaning.

And the reasons why they hate you are so incredibly ironic it almost can't be real. But it is real.

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Exactly. They would think nothing of it to put you on your knees and out a bullet in your brain, rape your wife and sever your kid's head. To them, it would be like a party. Never ever forget you will be dealing with someone that has willingly given up their humanity for something much darker and base. Animals.
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Exactly. They would think nothing of it to put you on your knees and out a bullet in your brain, rape your wife and sever your kid's head. To them, it would be like a party. Never ever forget you will be dealing with someone that has willingly given up their humanity for something much darker and base. Animals.
I couldn't help but think of you during this period. How your always saying stuff like this, and I never doubted it. But I can now confirm, you are correct. They do indeed hate us that much. To them, we are not human and they told me this on multiple occasions.

It's unbelievable how they preach tolerance and hate in the EXACT SAME SENTENCE.i swear, they're freaking morons.
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They're more than morons Jamie, they've chosen evil as a way of life. There is one person in history that came and committed NO Transgressions (sins), and the hate many held towards Him was expressed with His being crucified BECAUSE He was perfect and without sin. Think about that - that is what the evil of hate that you see in today's leftists/communists IS.
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The silver lining is there is a difference between liberals and the Bernie Bros. Each one is willing to be under the same tent for now. But they aren't the same thing and the Bernie Bros hate the liberals too. They hate any white person that isn't "woke." That's irony number one, they're extremely racist. Only they don't see it that way.

Silver lining number two is I really don't think the Bernie culture is going to vote for anybody but Bernie.

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They're more than morons Jamie, they've chosen evil as a way of life. There is one person in history that came and committed NO Transgressions (sins), and the hate many held towards Him was expressed with His being crucified BECAUSE He was perfect and without sin. Think about that - that is what the evil of hate that you see in today's leftists/communists IS.
No doubt. And I hope you guys are ready for some serious temper tantrums when Trump wins again. It's going to be EPIC.

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No doubt. And I hope you guys are ready for some serious temper tantrums when Trump wins again. It's going to be EPIC.

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I expect so, after all the effort they've spend to smear him and attempt a coup over the last 3 years.
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I couldn't help but think of you during this period. How your always saying stuff like this, and I never doubted it. But I can now confirm, you are correct. They do indeed hate us that much. To them, we are not human and they told me this on multiple occasions.

It's unbelievable how they preach tolerance and hate in the EXACT SAME SENTENCE.i swear, they're freaking morons.

The next time you're surfing the net, click on something that singles out protests that involve Antifa, and college students.

I was in my 20's during the crazy 60's......saw the resistance movements then on TV--- and all that those involved.

BUT--------------the one thing that continues to just stop me in my tracks now when I see/hear it, is the absolutely filthy---hateful---disgusting language that comes out of the mouths of girls/women in the 18-25 year old age bracket.

I doubt most of us who are members here would categorize ourselves as prudes, but guys, I'll tell ya what.....when you listen to the word fu** screamed hatefully out of the mouth of a 19 year old girl over and over.......it just makes you sick to see how far this age group of young women has fallen. And some of them will become new mothers in the not too distant future.

Feminism.....you reap what you sow.

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Absolutely, and the hate is like nothing I've ever experienced before. I was really taken back by that part because I've heard the word hate a lot and thought I knew what I meant. I was wrong. Believe me, they hate you, They genuinely hate you. In the literal sense of the word and taken to it's maximum meaning.

And the reasons why they hate you are so incredibly ironic it almost can't be real. But it is real.

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Yes, I have mentioned the ingrained hatred they have before and that is why there will be no political reconciliation with them. If they aren't stopped they will kill people by the millions and the media, which they control, will never tell you about it but will instead demonize the victims. This has already started to play out today. Those who support the 2A are evil nazis and those who support "common sense gun control" are the righteous.
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