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Old 02-09-2020, 01:40 PM
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Guns you own(ed) that were a disappointment...

Okay, this ties in with the other thread about guns that were surprisingly good. How about the opposite, ones you bought with high expectations but which ended up not being worth what you paid for them?

I paid $600 for a Kahr P380 back when they were still selling for that much. It seemed like the perfect pocket carry gun so I decided it was worth the high tariff. Unfortunately I had malfunctions right out of the starting gate, but when it DID work it was a fantastic little handgun. So I ended up going down the rabbit hole and tried to make it work rather than sell it and cut my losses. I ended up firing 3,000 rounds through it in endless range trips trying to diagnose and fix the various issues, which varied with each trip. Eventually I got it running 100%, carried it for awhile, and then on another range trip the malfunctions returned. I immediately went out and bought a Ruger LCP for $199 and the Kahr has remained in the safe ever since.

Honorable mention goes to a Taurus G2 Millenium that I bought because I thought it was a fantastic deal at $249. Then the double-feeds began, and it had to go back to Taurus which took months. When I finally got it back it seemed reliable, but I didn't want to trust it for carry so I put it up for sale. Eventually I had to use it as a trade-in and got virtually nothing for it, but I was simply glad to be rid of it.
Avoid the temptation to replace everything on your brand-new 1911 just to make it "better". Know what you're changing out and why. You may spend a lot of money fixing things that weren't broken to begin with. Shoot at least 500 rounds through it first, then decide what you don't like and want to improve. Regarding vintage 1911s, pre-1970 pistols are highly collectible in original, unaltered condition and should NEVER be refinished or modified as it completely ruins their monetary value.
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Old 02-09-2020, 01:54 PM
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Bought a first generation Sig Mosquito when they first came out. Gun was lucky to feed three rounds in a row regardless of brand or bullet type. Sent it back to Sig and they said they put a new recoil spring in it and inspected it. they said they test fired 100 straight rounds with no issues. When I got it back, it failed to feed round number two. Traded that POS as fast as possible.
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Old 02-09-2020, 01:57 PM
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A Henry Golden Boy. I purchased it only after hearing nothing but glowing reports however once I found out what it was made from I just wasn't happy at all. It may very well have worked without issue but the fact in actuality how they are now being built out of pot metal was a complete disappointment.

Same thing with regards to the Sig 22 1911 I purchased as well. Guns made from zinc and that aren't finished well are a complete disappointment to me.

Both bought early on when first purchasing firearms. Both are in classes where there aren't any real alternatives being made currently. I still own the Golden Boy because I can't seem to unload it but now Have a Winchester 9422. I was able to sell the Sig 22 1911 to someone else later.

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Old 02-09-2020, 02:02 PM
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A Smith and Wesson 3" Scandium frame 1911. Try as I might.....I could not get that gun to run. Two trips back to the factory and it still wouldn't run for me. Out of the 50+ 1911's I've owned, it's the only one that ever gave me problems.
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Old 02-09-2020, 02:03 PM
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Mentioned in the other thread - a new Beretta Bobcat 21a. No matter what ammo I tried, or how much oiling, cleaning, polishing feed ramps, etc.etc I did, could never get the durn thing to run a full mag without a jam. Finally gave up after many years of effort last Nov and sold it off. Glad it's gone, would never buy another one. And yes, I appreciate that MY one failed sample does not mean that they are all bad. Doubtless many folks luv them and don't have any issues.
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Old 02-09-2020, 02:05 PM
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Savage 110 350 Legend. The bolt would not open after firing every few rounds unless you beat the bolt handle extremely hard. It got returned immediately.

Henry Big Boy 44 Magnum. The first shot with several brands of factory ammunition would always fly from 4” to off the paper target away from the next 4 shots at 50 yards. I was benched and scoped. It got sold.

Remington 700 VSSF II. My fist VSSF was an amazing tack driver in .223. The VSSF II in 204 Ruger would not stabalize 39g or heavier bullets (all keyholes). No load combination would yield sub 2” groups. Remington said it was accurate enough. It got sold.

Browning A-bolt 25-06. Second time fired cases usually ended up with case head separation or nearly so. It was acceptably accurate but I eventually parted with it.

Cooper Phoenix .223. Beautiful gun, would shoot almost 1/2 MOA but never better, it got sold.

Nighthawk Talon 9mm. It shot decent but I honestly felt I could outshoot it as it came from the factory. To be fair, I had NHC install a Kart barrel and now it is shockingly accurate.

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Old 02-09-2020, 02:30 PM
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I try not to be a "first kid on the block" purchaser, so I've avoided teething troubles in guns that weren't quite ready.

The one gun I really wanted to like was a Ruger Mk. III, which I sold after one post-cleaning reassembly. The gun shot great, but couldn't see torturing myself again.

I've sold guns I didn't shoot much, but the one I intended to shoot extensively, but which I could not warm to, was a S&W 539.
Beautiful gun, but that DA/SA trigger was not worth trying to master.
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Old 02-09-2020, 02:35 PM
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Old 02-09-2020, 02:46 PM
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kahr 9mm
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Old 02-09-2020, 02:49 PM
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Purchased a brand new Interarms Virginian Dragoon .44 Magnum in 1979. Cost a dollar more than the Ruger Super Blackhawk in the case beside it; $193 to $192. Thought the Virginian Dragoon was more handsome. Was too, but was more of a turkey as well. Didn't matter if one shot the heaviest .44 Magnum hand loads or the mildest .44 Specials it was gonna flatten primers. Every screw loosened after a cylinder-full or two and required re-tightening. A brand new Smith & Wesson Model 29 acquired a year later for the then obscene sum of $484 remedied the Virginia Dragoon which was sold at an obscene loss. The Model 29 went on to serve flawlessly in hunter pistol silhouette competition, for deer hunting, and as the test bed for a stable of "experimental" hot hand loads. Never bobbled. Still have it and still use it.

A new Ruger 77 .30-06 purchased the same year. Was $199. Was going to be my .30-06 rifle for all time. Struggled with accuracy issues for about 7 years, on again off again. Just never would be dependably accurate. Baled out of it in 1987 in favor of a pre-64 1953 Winchester Model 70 Standardweight .30-06 and never looked back. That well-used Model 70 has never failed to deliver the accuracy.

The Kel Tec P3AT mentioned in the other thread. For a deeply concealable BUG I'd relied on a Colt .25 behind the wallet for years. My brother-in-law was enthused about the Kel Tec .32 and P3AT and convinced me I needed one. In the pre-Ruger LCP days there was nothing else on the market quite like it so in 2005 I bought one. Had big skeptical snort about all the "fluffing and buffing" talk online at the time so stubbornly made a hobby out of trying to break in the pistol through shooting it. Took 600 rounds of ammunition to be able to declare it suitable for carry use. Shot about a thousand more rounds through it afterward with no problem and then a couple years ago it again took to balking. I had long since relegated it to "yard gun" for outdoor chores by then. I cleaned it thoroughly and gave it a good scolding, threatening to throw it as far out into Lake Leon as I could if it didn't straighten up and fly right. Must have scared it as it's working again and is being toted for yard duty.

Always wanted Walther PPs, or else a PPk. Have had four different PPs in my lifetime, one .380 and three .32s. I've only ever wanted one as an example to collect and to shoot for fun. Never bought new, but acquired WWII military contract or older commercial examples. None have worked, choking and harking their way through my ownership only to be traded away. Thing is, I still want one.

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Old 02-09-2020, 02:51 PM
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Dan Wesson Bruin 10mm. Will not run reliably. My friend has the same gun, runs like a clock. Idk, I think my chamber is a bit tight.
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Old 02-09-2020, 02:56 PM
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Kahr 9mm. Sig Mosquito. The only 2 guns I've ever sold.
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Old 02-09-2020, 03:08 PM
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My Les Baer Monolith Heavyweight 45 ACP. I've posted my issues in the Les Baer subforum:

The other pistol that sucked was a FEG PA-63 in 9mm Makarov. I bought it at a gun show, took it out to the range that same day, and the gun broke after shooting a few boxes of ammo.
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Old 02-09-2020, 03:12 PM
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Baretta Tomcat.....what a waste of money and effort!! I won't keep beating up Kahr guns, as those before me have handled them.
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Old 02-09-2020, 03:26 PM
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Old 02-09-2020, 03:45 PM
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SIG P226 X5 Level1 9mm

Most accurate handgun I have ever owned, and also the most unreliable. There was a well known issue with the placement of the extractor in 9mm's. It went back to SIG and they refused to acknowledge the problem, nor did they offer any solution. Came back to me with a note every time, "adjusted extractor, and test fired". Must have test fired 1-5 rounds max. It would not make it thru a full mag with any ammo. Epic fail of a $2400.00 handgun. It took me many years to get any confidence in SIG products. But I eventually got over it and now have many trouble free SIGS.
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Old 02-09-2020, 04:00 PM
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An AMT Automag II .22 Mag. I loved .22 Mag and the idea of a semi-auto .22 Mag pistol just seemed so awesome. Back in the early 90s I traded a nice, NIB Ruger Single Six Bisley for one. When I took it to the range it had a creepy, gritty trigger and the blast off of it felt behind the gun was a lot more noticeable than my 6.5" S&W M29 in .44 Mag. One range trip made me regret trading on the Ruger.

A Taurus Tracker in .45 ACP. Loved the size and weight, the use of star clips as they called them. Nice trigger, comfortable to shoot with the comped barrel, and accurate. When it fired. I couldn't get through a 5 shot cylinder full without at least 2 or more failures to fire.
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Old 02-09-2020, 05:49 PM
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Bushmaster Enhanced ACR. What a jammamatic piece of junk.
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Old 02-09-2020, 05:51 PM
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Old 02-09-2020, 06:00 PM
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Not one I bought, but one I built. My dad gave me a Western Field (commercial long action Mauser) in 30.06. It was an excellent shooting rifle. One day I saw a new 7mm-08 stanless heavy barrel already threaded for the Mauser action for sale on GB. It was short chambered, button rifled, looked to be a fairly nice barrel for $99.00 so I thought what the heck. 7-08 is a cool round. So I bought it.
If anyone knows, Mauser barrels are not easy to fit, done properly. I started doing a lot of homework on Mauser actions to find out of it would be worth the effort and turns out, the commercial actions that were used on these rifles were considered the best of the Mauser actions and very good quality. So I set forth. I blue printed the receiver, trued the bolt, fit the barrel, bought a custom reamer form Dave Kiff, re-did the crown on the barrel, even fluted the barrel. The new barrel wouldn't fit in the original stock so I had to get another stock, bottom metal, floor plate, etc and fit all that. Then I basically had to turn the long action into a short action which meant making a spacer for the mag well and re-working the feed lips and feed ramp a little. Also installed a nice Timney trigger. It took me about a year to put it all together. I even pillar bedded the stock. I got an EGW scope base and mounted a scope, got it to the range and I wasn't expecting clover leafs but I figured it should at least shoot sub moa. I was pretty excited! Pfft. It was a freeking shotgun. I went back and checked EVERYTHING. I thought maybe the barrel was hitting the forestock on recoil so I went back and re-fitted the barrel, made sure the barrel channel was well clear, made sure non of the bedding was binding, checked everything else that I knew to check, even re-enforced the forestock and... same thing. No two consecutive shots were within 3" of eachother and needless to say, I was a little deflated. I did use a cheezy cheap composite stock and one day I may get a Richard's Microfit and make a nice wood stock for it but for now, it's just a big disappointment and one of "those" projects. Bums me out, too, because I think it's a good looking little rifle.

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Old 02-09-2020, 07:18 PM
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Keltec RFB, absolutely horrible no function just would not run

STI 2011, same as above plus brass to face

LCP1, stoped extracting

Century arms AK74, tires to fire out of battery and kill the user

Volquatsen .22 target pistol, very very very disappointing gun. I was going to review it but I don't want to let my personal dislike show through. It just doesn't shoot how it should and has random things wrong with it, my stock Mk4 22/45 is a better gun.

Nighthawk Predator II, constant errors requiring it to be send back 4 times. Still don't know if it is going to work when it comes back again

Nighthawk T3, doesn't make it through my carry testing. Tired 3 times but just can't quite do it, other than that fantastic gun even if the barrel is fit really badly

Kimber ultra diamond 9mm, doesn't like certain ammo

Kimber CDP custom external extractor, utter trash never worked

Para double stack, failed to feed

Springfield loaded, Traded for Wilson

Springfield TRP, failed to feed and broke parts

Canick TP9, trigger linkage failure

Colt 1911, fail to feed

Colt gold cup, Traded for Wilson

Berreta 92fs .40, failed to eject

Glock 23, just unimpressive

S&W 1910 .38 spl target, blew up

NAA .22 mag mini revolver, broke the hand thrice and hammer spring once

S&W 686-7, broke hand

VZ58, works perfectly but has abnormally heavy recoil in my opinion. To be clear I love the gun but it hurts to use

SIG P210a, again a great gun but I was expecting more considering the legend in terms of accuracy. I love how well it's made but I did have functional issue with it at first.

DB9, broke the trigger linkage and also broke the frame. Still have not gotten my new gun and it's been nearly a year

STI Escort .45, only likes certain mags and ammo, I don't like this in a carry type gun and I'm very disappointed that STI is kinda hard to work with to get it fixed. They just tell me to use stuff that works........

M1 carbine, not as reliable as I would like since it's mag sensitive

SCAR 16s, absolutely fantastic gun but I'm disappointed since I never use it even though it does everything my LWRCs do while being 2lb lighter. Mainly due to fear of breaking it and being screwed on replacement parts

DDMV11pro-3gun, kinda heavy in a not good way and the factory trigger failed me with light strikes ruining my faith in the gun. Factory brake is tuned wrong, the gun doesn't stay neutral it actually recoils downward and if you place it on a full auto lower it will walk into the ground. Also didn't withstand full auto without some small failures to extract, that was fixed though with a new extractor pivot (factory one was too tight and under full auto it overheated and bound). Still a great gun but it honestly put me off the brand since I paid nearly $2000 for a gun that is objectively is not as good as a $1450 LWRC DI, probably the single most disappointing gun on this list

My 100 year anniversary colt, though to be fair this gun was bought specifically because I knew I would not have to live with the honestly in my opinion shoddy construction and finishing work. Post correction it is one of my favorites and in my opinion my nicest gun visually tied only by my supergrade and python and then not really.

Ruger 10/22 archangel stainless, shoots a 2 inch group at 25 yards with gold metal match.......aka useless

I will think of some others after a while........I have went though many guns
Carry gun:Wilson Carry Comp Custom .45S Pocket carry:on loan Other 1911s:WC Supergrade Accucomp .38, WC BW Opticomp, WC CQB Compact, WC CQB Professional, WC Super Sentinel, WC CQB Elite 9mm, WC EDC X9, WC X9S, Ed Brown SR, NHC Predator II Opticomp, NHC T3 Hardchrome, Kimber Ultra, ATI Tactical, RIA Tactical 10mm, Kimber Ultra Diamond 9mm, Detonics Combat Master MKVI, Colt Centennial .460 Roland

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Old 02-09-2020, 07:21 PM
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Browning BDA-380. Beautiful, well made gun. Fit my hand like a glove. Reliable, too. Not capable of sub 8" groups at 30 feet. I got tired of it and sold it at a gunshow.

Also had an older Taurus 66 that was much the same way. Very inconsistent accuracy; seemed to be related to specific chambers. One of the very few guns I've ever sold at a loss.
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Old 02-09-2020, 07:28 PM
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I have shot a Colt Official Police a few times that I fell in love with, and at one time I had a real soft spot for snubbies. I found an OP that someone chopped the barrel on for a reasonable price on GunBroker and took the bait. Well, when I finally got to shoot it, it had one chamber that wouldn't fire in DA. I sent it to a highly recommended Colt guru and it came back to me in the same condition. TWICE. He obviously never test fired it the first time, and ignored my request for him to test fire it when he had it the second time. I sent it to another 'smith a while ago and, honestly, hope he never gets around to it. For the money I've spent so far I could have had something much nicer in original condition that I don't hate. To be honest, it has soured me on the durability of Colt Revolvers. Live and learn.
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Old 02-09-2020, 07:34 PM
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Oh man!

Don't allow that one sour experience dissuade you from some classic Colt. I consider myself dual-afflicted in my appreciation of double-action revolvers. If I didn't esteem classic Smith & Wesson as best I'd esteem Colt double-action revolvers most of all. As it is they are in an honored second place here and regularly enjoyed and seriously carried from time to time.
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Old 02-09-2020, 07:36 PM
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Ruger 1911 - Extremely poor trigger which Rugar tried to fix by modifying the frame which mad matters worse (all done before the gun hit the retailer.)
Ruger Precision 22LR - Won't eject casings reliably. No fix currently.
Ruger Mark III 22/45 - Won't eject casings reliably. Fixed with after marking parts.
Ruger American Pistol - Sloppy Trigger safety, not reliable.
Springfield XD Series firearms - Ambi-mag release cuts my trigger finger.

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