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Old 10-09-2013, 08:51 PM
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Old 10-10-2013, 07:48 AM
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Old 10-10-2013, 07:58 AM
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In my mind, Wilson is the Breitling / Rolex of sidearms.
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Old 10-10-2013, 09:00 AM
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A Diamond for "Her" and a Wilson for "Him".

Heirloom grade construction and Quality.

Worthy of your Admiration and the Envy of others.

Respected by most, Feared by All.

When your Life depends on it, choose nothing less than a "Wilson".

Investment with Lifesaving potential.

"My Precious"

When Performance counts, carry a Wilson.

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Old 10-10-2013, 02:32 PM
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I liken mine to a hand forged Samuri sword: solid, uncompromising quality made from tool steel and built with the precision of the proverbial bank vault. Always the right tool for the job yielding confidence and tactical advantages against those who may wish to do me harm.
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:07 AM
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Old 10-11-2013, 04:26 PM
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Old 10-11-2013, 07:59 PM
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Simply stated,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Heirloom Quality, Combat Ready
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Old 10-11-2013, 08:13 PM
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Old 10-12-2013, 08:46 AM
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Order, wait, change order, wait, check forum, change order, wait, check forum and live through others.
American pride, World class, Best of the Best!
Knowing you ordered what you want direct from manufacturer has its mental merits. Cost may be saved from wholesalers but in this world to big to get direct isn't Best in Class.
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Old 10-12-2013, 09:21 AM
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Order, wait, change order, wait, check forum, change order, wait, check forum and live through others.
American pride, World class, Best of the Best!
Knowing you ordered what you want direct from manufacturer has its mental merits. Cost may be saved from wholesalers but in this world to big to get direct isn't Best in Class.
Well said and usually when a company gets to big for its britches they tend to blow you off on stuff. From what I've witnessed around here...NOT SO! with WC. Keep up the good work WC there's nothing like keeping the customer base happy and it'll definitely keep the customers coming back for more. I'm seriously thinking about selling my dam #@%& and joining the WC customer base.
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Old 10-12-2013, 12:22 PM
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I think of quality, but also am reminded of no 4.25 commander with a bushing....
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Old 10-13-2013, 05:22 AM
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First and foremost, the absolute finest level of customer service available.

Secondly, the variety of product available.

Third, innovation.
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Old 10-13-2013, 07:02 AM
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Old 10-13-2013, 08:17 AM
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Wilson Combat

Very simply...."World Class"

I could insert "uncompromising focus on craftsmanship, quality, reliability, innovation, customer service" and other "subject topic areas".... but "World Class" sums it up.

Earning the often overused term "World Class" is a time intensive process, taking years or decades to earn and sustain....it is not overused for Wilson Combat.
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Old 10-13-2013, 02:01 PM
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Old 10-15-2013, 10:34 PM
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I am a little hesitant to reply to this thread because I know my answer will offend some, but as an owner and carrier of 5 Wilsons over at least a decade (still have 3), I've come to be of two minds about Wilson. Keep in mind I have put more rounds through Wilsons than any other 1911's that I own. My highest round count CQB has about 35000 rounds through it. I really appreciate the gun.

I value the quality, and the constant improvement. My guns run. But WCR wanted honesty and I have to say it. Along with the quality and service, I'm highly disturbed by the fanboy/collector association that has emerged.

So "quality, built right, service, fanboy, too many non-shooter owners" are my word associations. It's almost bipolar.

It isn't Wilson's fault that a certain contingent has latched on. Good for them from a business perspective. But I also feel like the brand's cachet has eroded in the past few years. Some of my high round count friends feel the same way.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:30 AM
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I am a little hesitant to reply to this thread because I know my answer will offend some, but as an owner and carrier of 5 Wilsons over at least a decade (still have 3), I've come to be of two minds about Wilson. Keep in mind I have put more rounds through Wilsons than any other 1911's that I own. My highest round count CQB has about 35000 rounds through it. I really appreciate the gun.

I value the quality, and the constant improvement. My guns run. But WCR wanted honesty and I have to say it. Along with the quality and service, I'm highly disturbed by the fanboy/collector association that has emerged.

So "quality, built right, service, fanboy, too many non-shooter owners" are my word associations. It's almost bipolar.

It isn't Wilson's fault that a certain contingent has latched on. Good for them from a business perspective. But I also feel like the brand's cachet has eroded in the past few years. Some of my high round count friends feel the same way.
Actually, and I say this with kindness and genuine concern, this is probably the single most essential post that I've seen here in a very long time, and it aligns with my own views in more ways that I can even begin to count.

Wilson's has definitely upped their game. They are building better guns now than they have ever done in the past, from the best components available, to a standard that few others are able to equal. They've invested in infrastructure, staffing, engineering and worked hard to improve their production processes. They have committed themselves to offering more possibilities and models and combinations than ever before, and become almost unbelievably adept at reaching out to their customer base, providing relevant resources, answering questions and offering helpful education. Quite simply, they have learned how to round the corner on marketing, as well, and they have emerged a true powerhouse. My respect for Wilson Combat and their position in the industry has only grown with time.

My opinion of Wilson's core customer base has, however, suffered as a result. This board was once heavily-populated by knowledgable and committed shooters who understood why a CQB was worth $1,450 when a nice Colt was $650. Guys who appreciated the quality and refinement of a Wilson gun, and used them regularly. Granted, not all were high-round-count shooters, nor was that the point. The point was that they were typically knowledgable and enthusiastic and genuinely-interested in understanding these guns, what makes them special and how to keep them running in top form. In those days, the catalogued model list at WC was pretty short. You could select from perhaps a half-dozen different pistols, and that was about it. If you wanted frills and fancy finishes, you needed to go elsewhere, because Wilson's was largely building pattern guns and staying close to the original recipe. The CQB was the most common acquisition for most, and the real dyed-in-the-wool guys might have opted for a SDS or TE, but the price tags weren't the focal point so much as the actual guns.

It seems, and I recognize that this is neither universal nor fair to all, that we've rounded some kind of corner now. Wilson's (to their credit) will now build you whatever you want. You'll pay for it, of course, and you'll wait longer than ever for it, but it you want a true full-house custom gun out of Berryville nowadays, it can be had for the right price. That wasn't typically the case in the past and I don't view it as a step backward by any stretch. I do think, however, that it has resulted in the emergence of a strange kind of new customer: the guy who wants the best, and is willing to spend the money, but who really has almost no experience or knowledge base from which to draw where these guns are concerned.

Perhaps the most dreaded call a high-end pistolsmith can field is the one from the wealthy guy who wants to commission a gun without having any idea what he wants it to do, what it should look like or how it should be optimized for his specific needs. Wilson's has unwittingly made this process a lot easier for these guys by diligently cataloging and photographing the possibilities and providing a patient staff to help the neophyte find his way. That's a pretty helpful approach, quite honestly, but it doesn't really address the fact that the customer still has no idea what he's talking about half of the time, and order sheets seem to be in a near-constant state of flux prior to kitting as a result.

This is not a swipe or criticism of anyone, but when Jim mentions the whole "fanboy" thing, he does touch upon something important. Do you think Wilson's is building the best 1911s on the planet? Really, why? Have you ever seen a gun from Heirloom Precision, Harrison Custom, Chuck Rogers or Heinie Precision? I'm not saying one is better or worse than another: I'm saying that your opinions have limited value if you don't even know what else is out there at the top of the 1911 game. Do you appreciate Wilson's compact models because of the incredible amount of engineering and research that has been put into overcoming the inherent limitations of a short 1911, or do they just "look cool" to you? Do you understand why Wilson's new one-piece magwell is superior to their earlier models in terms of how it is actually integrated into the gun and profiled, or is it just a must-have because it is new and someone told you that magwells are somehow essential? Are you going to drop an extra thousand dollars on an optional finish for your next ▄berGrade when you would actually be far better-served by something better able to stand up to the climate you're living in, or the roles you envision for the gun? You want a Full-Length Guide Rod in your gun? Why? Do you understand what it does, and how it affects something like malfunction-clearing or takedown? Ordering a lightweight model? Do you understand the tradeoff between shootability and longevity associated with this, and that alloy frames don't take to that bluing job you're lusting after? Any and all of these can represent solid choices, but there is an attendant set of pros and cons associated with each, and none of those are going to be evident if you don't invest the time and effort to ramp-up your learning. The 1911 is not a beginner's gun -- you've chosen poorly if you expected otherwise.

Again, none of this is intended to be mean-spirited at all, and I'm not belittling the fact that we all start at zero when it comes to knowing much of anything about these guns. Even Tony and I had to start someplace. That said, we have got to get past this "ooh and ahh" phase, salivating over every new blog photo and falling into the pimp gun mode every time someone shows up looking to order his dream piece. The 1911 is a beautiful gun, and you should have it built however you like. These choices are subjective, and my idea of the ultimate will not necessarily match yours. I'm not suggesting that anyone is a goofball because he wants French Bordering on a Bill Wilson Carry. I'm just saying that, if you don't understand what makes a BWC special to begin with, and the special care and feeding requirements that go along with it, having your favorite Harley-Davidson logo etched onto the flats is not really going to make the gun any more relevant for the purposes it was designed to serve. It's about balance. Finding beauty in a thing, and making it exactly what you want, but also having a good understanding that goes more than surface-deep about what makes these guns run, their strengths and weaknesses and how to shoot them well.

Balance. That's it, really. Don't be a fanboy. Don't be anybody's fanboy, ever. Strive to be an educated, savvy consumer. Will that lessen your enthusiasm for the Wilson brand? Heck no, it will probably only increase it, but you might just find that it affects some of your buying and configuration choices for the better, and you'll end up feeling just a bit less silly next year when you decide not to put your low-round-count Wilson on GunBroker in order to buy the next latest, greatest thing that you see pictured in the 2014 Wilson Combat catalog.

Again, no offense intended, friends. Just trying to offer some perspective and incentive to be the real deal, and not just fans with some disposable income hanging rather cluelessly onto the teat of a fine manufacturer. Guns built to this level deserve a bit better than that. So do those with the good sense to purchase them.

Study them. Invest in them. Appreciate them. Shoot them -- often. That is the secret to happiness in the high-end 1911 game. Skip a step here, and you will forever be chasing your tail.

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Old 10-16-2013, 10:14 AM
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AC, that is one of the single greatest posts I have ever read.
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Old 10-16-2013, 10:41 AM
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^^^^^My view on the last 2 posts:
+I do find it strange that there is so much focus on estetics vs shootability on this sight.
+BUT, if folks want to collect wilsons without shooting them much, good for them! (of course you could do both, and many of us do). If it makes them happy to look at shinny expensive pistols (with slippery grips ;-)) that is their business.
+As I have advanced in my love for 1911, esteticas have become more important, but I am a shooter first and that is the key dterminate of my purchase decisions.
+I don't think someones income has anything to do with this. Rich people want to have fun too I would guess.
+The most enjoyable discussions I have on this or any gun board are with folks that shoot a lot (or have in past) and enjoy the challange of marksmenship and compitition...A shooter can do all of the above without being a junor Gunsmith. Although it helps and something that I am slowly learning.

I guess, what I am trying to say is perhapes the Wilson Tent is large, and incorporating those who join for all or some of the demensions of firearm ownership.

I say live-'n-let live.
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Old 10-16-2013, 10:46 AM
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CA,you need to do the folks in this subforum a favor and either learn to spell the word aesthetics or use another word that you can spell.

I can live with a lot of the typos that you make, but that one grinds my gears every time....
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Old 10-16-2013, 11:00 AM
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CA,you need to do the folks in this subforum a favor and either learn to spell the word aesthetics or use another word that you can spell.

I can live with a lot of the typos that you make, but that one grinds my gears every time....
My friend, I would be the first to say that I am a terrible speller...But if spelling erks you, I can guarentee you have no real problems in life.

And as far as I am concerned, if you want to be a spelling police person, I put you right up there with the lefties that want to control all parts of our lives.

Not to mention the fact that it would be much more appropriate for you to PM me then to post here.

Your always welcome not to read my posts.

What are you kidding me????
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Old 10-16-2013, 11:22 AM
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Check fire, time now.

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Please do not use the derogatory term "fanboy", I find it very offensive. Instead, use the following neutral description: rotary air moving adolescent male.

BTW, JiminCA: Thanks for your honesty. There is nothing wrong with your opinion or view.
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Old 10-16-2013, 11:45 AM
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Army Chief's post was interesting and timely. I own one Wilson Combat, a CQB Compact. I have owned a number of others (Kimber, Para, Ruger, STI, NH), but none of the true "custom" 1911's, nor have I shot any. However last night I took my WC and Ruger out and realized how good (or great) the WC really is.

It started with inserting the magazine, smooth insertion, no drag, locked in place, drops freely. Then racking the slide, smooth as glass, like riding on bearings. The trigger breaks clean, short reset, consistent. Definately more accurate than I am capable of shooting. Perfection in a 1911.

My conclusion from last night was to shoot the WC more, use it. I had been using the Ruger for IDPA, but why would I when the WC is so much better to shoot.

My comment on "what Wilson Combat means to me" was "pride in ownership. Knowing that you own one of the best made 1911's in the world"......sounds like a fanboy, doesn't it. However, after my realization from last night on how good (great) the WC really is, I really do not know how much more you can improve on a 1911 by going full custom. Can you really make the magazine insert smoother, the slide rack easier, maybe improve the trigger but how much. And accuracy, at some point the human factor outweighs the tool, can a full custom be that much more accurate ?

While not a high round count shooter I am an experienced shooter and 1911 owner and stand by my comment that Wilson builds one of the best 1911's out there. If there are better out there how much better can they be, and at what cost?
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