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Old 04-07-2020, 01:15 PM
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PEF lead his post with an excellent but incomplete observation. He said:

"The Daily Beast is is a Left-Leaning site" This is spot-on true. Daily Beast admits this fact.

Then PEF continues: "and their Left-Leaning articles (stories) should be read with skepticism" This is also spot-on true. PEF nailed it. Note that he said "with skepticism" ------------- he did NOT say to reject their articles outright. Just to be aware that there is a self-acknowledged, self-described bias in what they write &/or choose to publish.

But let's also accept this truth: The exact same thing applies to self-admitted & self-described Conservative News sources. Do not reject all they publish outright, but read with skepticism.

What "conservative news" means is that you are, if you accept it all as true and the Whole Story, getting played on some level. Just like with liberal sources. Don't get played---read with skepticism.

Ya got yer Alex Jones (conservative) and your Mother Jones (liberal) two Jones! Both are carefully crafted, WITHOUT swearing to Tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Listening to just one side means that as a juror you are only listening to the prosecution or the defense. To be an INFORMED juror you must pay attention to both sides.
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Old 04-07-2020, 01:37 PM
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PEF lead his post with an excellent but incomplete observation. He said:

"The Daily Beast is is a Left-Leaning site" This is spot-on true. Daily Beast admits this fact.

Then PEF continues: "and their Left-Leaning articles (stories) should be read with skepticism" This is also spot-on true. PEF nailed it. Note that he said "with skepticism" ------------- he did NOT say to reject their articles outright. Just to be aware that there is a self-acknowledged, self-described bias in what they write &/or choose to publish.

But let's also accept this truth: The exact same thing applies to self-admitted & self-described Conservative News sources. Do not reject all they publish outright, but read with skepticism.

What "conservative news" means is that you are, if you accept it all as true and the Whole Story, getting played on some level. Just like with liberal sources. Don't get played---read with skepticism.


Ya got yer Alex Jones (conservative) and your Mother Jones (liberal) two Jones! Both are carefully crafted, WITHOUT swearing to Tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Listening to just one side means that as a juror you are only listening to the prosecution or the defense. To be an INFORMED juror you must pay attention to both sides.
True enough. It's difficult to find a truly "straight news" site anymore. The line between opinion and journalism is, if not washed away into oblivion, completely muddied.

One thing I have enjoyed is watching the daily task force briefings so I can decide for myself whether I am satisfied with their explanations - both in presentation and in answering questions.

I shake my head at the so-called "journalists" calling for the briefings to not be aired so the "journalists" can then tell you what was truthful and what was not (i.e., so the "journalists" can tell you want to believe).
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Old 04-07-2020, 02:26 PM
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Yes, press conferences & task force briefings are pretty good if they are taken in whole & not just in sound bites presented by Left or Right sources.

But Man, do I cringe when I hear guys say things like "I refuse Lamestream Media so I only listen to Patriot Eagle MinuteMan SuperTrue" or whatever Rightist source they like.

That's as much a one-sided poop-spew as "The People's Socialist Oracle" or whatever hippie crap is out there.
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Old 04-07-2020, 02:39 PM
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The daily beast is a left-leaning site, and their articles (stories) should be read with skepticism.

First, everyone - not only Asians - has been buying guns. Blacks, Whites, Yellow, Brown, LGBTQ, whatever.

Second - after a month, I've yet to see the spate of news stories of "violence against Asians" due to the corona virus. And if it had happened, you know the media would be all over it to saddle President Trump with the outbreak. But guess what has happened after a month? Nothing. There's no widespread violence against Asians.

Why? Well, gosh, turns out most Americans aren't rabid, ignorant racists ready to turn on ethnic groups at the first sign of distress. Kind of the opposite, actually. Here we've been trying to support local restaurants as best we can, buying meals for first responders for a "win-win," and generally trying to be nice to each other.

I'm quite weary of the "America the Racist" narratives. We're the greatest country on earth. Period. Over the last century we freed millions from dictatorships; we saved millions from disease; we have fed millions out of starvation; and we have been a beacon of hope for millions everywhere.
The source of the story was already addressed early on in the thread. Yes the Daily Beast is a leftist rag... but there is truth to the story. It was additionally supported by other news sources, as well as Asian owned gun shop owner, and many anecdotal stories from members here.

I believe in obtaining information from all sources, then deciding for myself who is telling the 'better' truth. Sometimes getting a story from the BBC or RT (Russia Today) may be more reliable then getting a story from the Washington Post or Fox. They may not all be under the same political pressures to report a story with a specific agenda or bias.
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Old 04-07-2020, 02:41 PM
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The source of the story was already addressed early on in the thread. Yes the Daily Beast is a leftist rag... but there is truth to the story. It was additionally supported by other news sources, as well as Asian owned gun shop owner, and many anecdotal stories from members here.

I believe in obtaining information from all sources, then deciding for myself who is telling the 'better' truth. Sometimes getting a story from the BBC or RT (Russia Today) may be more reliable then getting a story from the Washington Post or Fox. They may not all be under the same political pressures to report a story with a specific agenda or bias.
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Old 04-07-2020, 03:35 PM
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Yes, press conferences & task force briefings are pretty good if they are taken in whole & not just in sound bites presented by Left or Right sources.

But Man, do I cringe when I hear guys say things like "I refuse Lamestream Media so I only listen to Patriot Eagle MinuteMan SuperTrue" or whatever Rightist source they like.

That's as much a one-sided poop-spew as "The People's Socialist Oracle" or whatever hippie crap is out there.
Sadly 99% of news outlets these days are either one or the other. Virtually nobody except the small local news stations seem to keep anything balanced.
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Old 04-07-2020, 05:16 PM
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Old 04-07-2020, 06:58 PM
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pef lead his post with an excellent but incomplete observation. He said:

"the daily beast is is a left-leaning site" this is spot-on true. Daily beast admits this fact.

Then pef continues: "and their left-leaning articles (stories) should be read with skepticism" this is also spot-on true. Pef nailed it. Note that he said "with skepticism" ------------- he did not say to reject their articles outright. Just to be aware that there is a self-acknowledged, self-described bias in what they write &/or choose to publish.

But let's also accept this truth: The exact same thing applies to self-admitted & self-described conservative news sources. Do not reject all they publish outright, but read with skepticism.

What "conservative news" means is that you are, if you accept it all as true and the whole story, getting played on some level. Just like with liberal sources. Don't get played---read with skepticism.

Ya got yer alex jones (conservative) and your mother jones (liberal) two jones! Both are carefully crafted, without swearing to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Listening to just one side means that as a juror you are only listening to the prosecution or the defense. To be an informed juror you must pay attention to both sides.
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Old 04-07-2020, 10:27 PM
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Propaganda comes at us from any number of sources.

Good, bad, or otherwise, it is ubiquitous in today's world. All the more reason to educate ones self on the real issues. I think that it is pretty much a forgone conclusion that politicians in general will sell us all down the river without hesitation. At least inasmuch as it keeps them in office.

If anything good comes out of this pandemic. I can only hope that the general public will view government in any way, shape or form. As not so much the answer to all of their problems, so much as the route of them.

They produce nothing. They attempt to enforce arbitrary rules on us, legal or not. While they attempt to extort money from those of us that actually have gainful employment to subsidize not only their own salaries. But whimsical programs that will presumably justify their existence in the eyes of those who put them in office to begin with. This is clearly highway robbery disguised as something else.


These people have no right to posture themselves in this fashion. Going forward I do not see things ending well for them. Good people will only tolerate tyranny for so long.
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Old 04-08-2020, 06:59 AM
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One fact in the above is correct, the rest of it is not factual and speculation.

Since New Years Eve, which was when the Chinese government acknowledged that there was an epidemic, 430,000 people have arrived on direct flights from China to the U.S. Of these 40,000 arrived after the President's Feb. 2 order to close the border to China. These were person's of different nationalities. Thousands of whom were U.S. citizens.

279 flights from China directly to the U.S. have occurred since Feb. 2 Flights continued to land last week. This under rules allowed by the U.S. government.

All flights were regularly scheduled commercial flights with permission to land. Most landed in L.A., San Francisco, New York, Chicago, Detroit, Seattle, Newark and other major cities. Some direct flights from Wuhan.

Until mid January there were no medical checks of passengers arriving from China. Since that time they have been taking place. Mostly passengers have been required to fill out a form about symptoms and have their temperature taken. In one case on March 23 over 40 passengers landed at Kennedy airport in N.Y. were surprised that they were not quarantined.

Tens of thousands of Americans live and work in China and hundreds of American owned companies have deep business ties there. The same is true of other nations.

None of the flights were secret. They were all allowed under Federal rules including those after the "travel ban" after Americans and others tried to get home.

This was announced in a N.Y. Times article published on April 5.

When the President first announced travel restrictions to China on Feb. 2 there was push back from the WHO, China and Democrats in Congress. I suspect also from many businesses here. By this time the virus was spreading globally. People returning from trips and cruises were bringing it here as well. As many as 25% of people infected do not show symptoms. Actual testing for the virus is still spotty.

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OK, so that means if we deduct a couple “tens of thousands”, that leaves roughly 400,000 CHINESE. My point is that you cannot tell me that none of them were “fleeing” because they knew what was going on. I will guarantee that “tens of thousands” knew they had symptoms and brought the crap here. Yup, Americans too, but most likely far less informed than the bat eaters. These clowns knew about this virus way before Christmas and did nothing to let the world know. Surely you are not defending China right??
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Old 04-08-2020, 10:27 AM
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Nitro .45 ---------- Defending China? What IS China?

1.3 Billion separate individuals and their 1.3 billion varied personal actions ?

Their bloated, millions of officials, government?

How about OUR countless governmental officials/ individuals involved?

I think what tipoc was saying is that playing the blame game, on a global pandemic, involves culpability by too many people, governments, companies, and various entities than we have enough fingers to point with.

One dude or lady butchered a critter. Then got sick later, as people do everyday. He/she had no idea that they were the epicenter of a worldwide contagion.

As you wouldn't either.

If I was to blame anyone for any part of this it would be the policy-makers that made rules/laws that were outside the recommendations of biologists & medical experts.

That is not country specific. And yes, that includes the Chinese officials that allowed the Wet Markets to operate in spite of the obvious dangers and warnings from their own health experts.
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Old 04-08-2020, 11:38 AM
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Example: The governor of Georgia said LAST WEEK that he "just found out" that asymptomatic people could infect others with the virus.

??????????? what the hell ????????????? How is it that my videogaming/skateboarding teenager knew this, over a MONTH earlier , than a freakin' GOVERNOR????

Clearly it's not just the Chinese that are/have seriously screwed up.
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Old 04-09-2020, 06:56 AM
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I’m not saying that no one else is to blame for the spread.
The fact is that China has had multiple incidents concerning deadly viruses that have originated THERE! They continue their nasty habits of wet markets and disgusting hygiene. Three incidents of deadly crud escaping from a “Biological Warfare Lab” does not give them the cred they need to be trusted with this type of research. Damn right I’m blaming China....they did this, not the guy at Crab Apple Cove. Worse yet is that they (yes they, the CHINESE) allowed this to spread for a month before they said squat!
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Old 04-09-2020, 11:07 AM
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I’m not saying that no one else is to blame for the spread.
The fact is that China has had multiple incidents concerning deadly viruses that have originated THERE! They continue their nasty habits of wet markets and disgusting hygiene. Three incidents of deadly crud escaping from a “Biological Warfare Lab” does not give them the cred they need to be trusted with this type of research. Damn right I’m blaming China....they did this, not the guy at Crab Apple Cove. Worse yet is that they (yes they, the CHINESE) allowed this to spread for a month before they said squat!
What you are saying is that all Chinese have disgusting habits and filthy bad hygiene and that "they", meaning all Chinese, are responsible for originating and spreading this strain of Corona virus.

So all Chinese including those fighting for democratic rights in Hong Kong for the last few years.

All Chinese includes Dr. Li Wenliang, the Chinese doc who sent out a note to other doctors and researchers on Dec. 30, 2019 warning that a dangerous new strain of Corona virus might be rising and that they should watch for it and wear protective gear. He said it looked like the 2003 SARS virus. He was picked up by police and accused of spreading false rumors along with 8 other doctors. They sounded an alarm. These Chinese doctors forced their oppressive government to admit their was a new fast spreading virus. Forced it to act. Saving lives. When Li died of the virus in early Feb. millions of Chinese took to social media and the streets calling him a hero.

Folks are right to blame the Chinese government for lying about the rise of the virus and trying to hide it. They did that to protect their business interests and not be embarrassed. But it's a serious mistake to blame all Chinese. Doing so whips up prejudice and let's the many others who are to blame off the hook. It also shows no way forward out of this. It's a diversion. Like arguing whether to call it Wuhan virus, Chinese virus or Covid 19. All of that's a diversion.

The government of Spain and Italy, the government of Iran, etc. are to blame for not being prepared.

In this country, there were manywho knew something like this was coming, didn't prepare for it and still are fumbling, blaming all the Chinese let's those politicians, bureaucrats and businesses off the hook.

I figure there is a job to do and it's here. I stand with those McDonald's workers who walked off the job saying "we need the proper protection". So they forced McDonald's to provide masks and proper gloves to all it's workers across the country. With the Amazon workers who did the same. With the nurses and doctors fighting for better equipment so they can save lives. The farmworkers and truckers who are doing the same and many more. We can work and not be laid off we just need the proper safety equipment and lessons in how to be safe while working. Small businesses can be provided for and re-opened.

We can fight for that or sit at home dry firing and blaming all the "filthy" Chinese. Or you can pray that the same folks from both parties who screw it up every time there is a natural disaster will save us now.

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Old 04-09-2020, 11:14 AM
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Well said, Sir.
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Old 04-09-2020, 05:52 PM
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Well said if you insist on putting words in my mouth.
I specifically said that China, as a country, has had multiple incidents of virus's getting loose. FACT
Will you argue the fact that Wet Markets are nasty and the people in them with blood from monkeys soaking their clothing are gross? Tables of room temperature meat covered with flies is fine? Look up some video. Blame who you want, but this is where plagues come from!
Next I mentioned the escaped viruses from the labs. Want to argue that? Prove me wrong...they have scrambled their emergency response teams many times.
I will concede that not ALL Chinese are to blame, but you said that, not I.
Are many to blame...Damn right! Where did it start? CHINA!
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Old 04-09-2020, 06:33 PM
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Nitro. 45 ------------ Yes, those Wet Markets have been on my radar for a long time. Not just as disease sources, but as species-extincting hellholes. As have the equivalent Jungle Meat markets throughout the world.

This is largely the result of the Communist Government's "Great Leap Forward"
which resulted in nationwide famine. At that time, to lessen the rate of starvation, they ruled that eating, and raising, wildlife for food was good practice.

So all critters great & small were now on the menu. Including endangered species (if raised domestically) Mostly by Mom & Pop operations. However, because THAT was now legal it's been easy to smuggle in all kinds of creatures from other Asian countries, Europe, & Africa and claim they were home-raised. Who's to say they weren't?

I wager that crap, at least for the time being, will be banned. I think the responses, including mine, to your post were because it seemed kinda Anti-Chinese in general.

Like what the world might think of "Those nasty Americans" if our next pandemic comes from our people in the south eating alligator at Papaduex's.
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Old 04-10-2020, 03:44 AM
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There will be blood. I can lay it out how it's gonna happen, but I don't know how much talk like that one can get away with on this forum and not be banned. I don't want that, but I do want to discuss how others feel about it, and what we are going to do when it happens.

Bottom line, asians are not the only targets. In fact, they are probably the smallest target group because they, at least in my areas, stay with their own en masse. They rarely intermingle or live alone. My biggest concern is elderly people and single mothers, I see them as the first and most preyed upon targets.
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Old 04-10-2020, 09:12 AM
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The daily beast is fake news. I am Asian, I did recently buy firearms, but that is not the reason
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Old 04-11-2020, 09:00 AM
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Nitro. 45 ------------ Yes, those Wet Markets have been on my radar for a long time. Not just as disease sources, but as species-extincting hellholes. As have the equivalent Jungle Meat markets throughout the world.

This is largely the result of the Communist Government's "Great Leap Forward"
which resulted in nationwide famine. At that time, to lessen the rate of starvation, they ruled that eating, and raising, wildlife for food was good practice.

So all critters great & small were now on the menu. Including endangered species (if raised domestically) Mostly by Mom & Pop operations. However, because THAT was now legal it's been easy to smuggle in all kinds of creatures from other Asian countries, Europe, & Africa and claim they were home-raised. Who's to say they weren't?

I wager that crap, at least for the time being, will be banned. I think the responses, including mine, to your post were because it seemed kinda Anti-Chinese in general.

Like what the world might think of "Those nasty Americans" if our next pandemic comes from our people in the south eating alligator at Papaduex's.
Thanks for the candid response. And yes, the vast majority of the Chinese are not to blame. They do what they are told. The problem lies in the fact that these markets are totally unsanitary and no one cares or realizes that you can die from the crap that can manifest itself in that setting. It is totally disgusting and a ten year old should be taught basic food safety. The Cajuns know how to use ice at least!
As far as these labs go....c’mon man.....there is more published data on selling animals that had been in test labs than you can shake a stick at. Illegal, you bet, but the nasty practice continues.
There was a documentary that “suggests” the Chinese brought in a specialist to cross mutate the virus from a bat with a “binder” since the virus itself could not attach to a human. Months before any of this happened, the entire military was fitted for PPE. The reason for the binder was to make a vaccine (so they said). Then, oops, crap, it was allowed to spread around the globe for a month before they told anyone. They don’t give a crap about their people, they just want power. The documentary suggested that they don’t even care about their economy, they can’t fight the West with bullets and boots and viola.
Conspiracy or not, this has happened before and is well documented. I believe there is some truth in this. Should I blame the entirety of the Chinese population? Certainly not. Should they be allowed to continue wet markets and biological weapon labs? C’mon man........
Asshats say it’s racist to call it the Chinese Flu. That’s like saying we have to rename the Spanish Flu or German Measles because it might offend someone. It’s the damn Wuhan Red Death as far as I’m concerned and China (insert the exact people you want to blame here) needs to be held accountable and conform. Anyone that says it’s not their fault or tries to defend them needs to check their commie hat at the nearest border and get to swimmin’!
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Old 04-11-2020, 11:40 AM
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The "wet markets" have been on some folks maps for years. There has been an international campaign against them as a source of disease for over a decade. But it has been a priority only for some public health advocates and animal rights people. These markets are not just a Chinese thing, they exist in other Asian nations (Vietnam, Thailand, parts of India, etc.) and in parts of Africa. They used to be common in this country. They are a source of disease and ill health.

There has been ongoing fights in China about these markets and overall the desecration of the environment there and health and safety. A good many Chinese people have been disappeared by their government in the course of this.

Fights for food safety took place in the U.S. over a century ago with slaughter houses and the food chain here. But campaigns for health cleared it up...for awhile anyway.

The WHO, the UN, the EU and many governments (including ours) have not taken up any campaign to clean up these markets in China or elsewhere. In part because they don't want to irritate China. In part because they really don't care what poor people eat or how many die.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...093847657.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/...arkets/609781/

So yes it's on folks radar, but not enough. It's important to speak the truth.

The "racist" thing about what to call the virus is a dead end trap. The liberals called it the Wuhan virus till they declared it "racist" in order to criticize Trump. So what? It's a trap. The Democrats see all things through the lens of getting rid of Trump including this pandemic.

It's not a conspiracy and I don't scapegoat all the Chinese people. I think to do so is dangerous, to everyone, cuz i think it can run folks off course. I think that's part of the purpose of scapegoating China. Blame the Chinese and we don't lay the blame on the folks responsible here, from both parties. The fight is here and now.

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Old 04-12-2020, 10:01 AM
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Obviously, there are other people to blame here, but largely about how this entire thing was handled AFTER the thing was loose. There is too much evidence that supports the idea of research and specialists messing with this crap in a lab and the fact that the world was not made aware of the release for long after it was already in other countries.
Folks can believe what they want, but this virus started at the hand of man, not a quirk of nature. Whether it showed up in a wet market from a “sold lab animal”, escaped from the lab as an accident or was an intentional act, the fact remains that the Chinese (again, insert what part of the Chinese population you would like to blame here) are responsible for The Coronavirus pandemic. Feel free to blame the Russian researcher and a couple others too, but this is a result of Chinese research. I honestly feel bad for the Chinese Americans that have to deal with the backlash. It is clearly not their fault and their are obviously here to escape the nightmare of living in a communist country. Anyone that seriously questions that this is the fault of “certain” Chinese activities needs to rethink their position, and try to get Bernie’s campaign going again.......grrrrrrr.

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Old 04-12-2020, 12:17 PM
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Let me ask you this...You have no proof that the virus began in a Chinese lab or that it was caused by an animal getting out of that lab and ending up in a "wet market". That's speculation. But let's say it was true. The question is what do you do after that.

What you advocate is that you yell alot and blame "the Chinese" and that's about it. If you have some actual proposals I missed them. So repeat them please. Or think it through.

The ideas been floating around since December or earlier that the Chinese government was researching bio weapons in Wuhan and that Covid 19 is a strain of that that was accidentally released. There was no proof of that but rumors need no proof.

Some people climbed on that horse but they have no clear idea of where to ride it to. Well some do. Alex Jones is one of these fellas, he saw it as an opportunity to sell toothpaste that he claimed would stop all the Corona virus strains including this one. The Trump administration had to step in to stop that. Some use it to whip up anti-Chinese sentiment. Some to blame all Chinese to get others off the hook.

Now South Korea was prepared. See every major government and a number of smaller ones did what the U.S. did going back to the Clinton administration and every administration after that. Their military studied what would happen if a biological weapon was released in their nations and what do you do to fight that. The Pentagon here has released studies about that here. Mostly though they were ignored. They all said that we weren't ready for that and we had to get ready.

The last such report was released in 2017.

https://www.thenation.com/article/po...tage-pandemic/

https://www.c4isrnet.com/industry/20...n-coronavirus/

The So. Korean government paid attention and they were ready.

Liberals blame Trump. But that's a dodge. Obama did no better. In December the liberals were too busy with their witch hunt of the President.

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Folks can believe what they want, but this virus started at the hand of man, not a quirk of nature. Whether it showed up in a wet market from a “sold lab animal”, escaped from the lab as an accident or was an intentional act, the fact remains that the Chinese (again, insert what part of the Chinese population you would like to blame here) are responsible for The Coronavirus pandemic. Feel free to blame the Russian researcher and a couple others too, but this is a result of Chinese research. I honestly feel bad for the Chinese Americans that have to deal with the backlash. It is clearly not their fault and their are obviously here to escape the nightmare of living in a communist country.
The HIV virus began in West Africa, Swine flu virus in Mexico, West Nile virus first reported in Uganda, Ebola West Africa again. All these and more are natural virus some aided, like Covid 19 aided by the work of humans.

Also man Chinese have been in the U.S. for well over a century in large numbers. Most here were born here and not recent immigrants. The idea that they are recent folk here and maybe not real Americans is off base. They don't need anyone feeling sorry for them. They need us to uphold and defend their rights same as every one else. Including their 2nd amendment rights.


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Old 04-12-2020, 04:04 PM
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Some of the Asian Markets here in San Diego have what I consider questionable meat/fish/poultry sections. A butchering area that smells more funky than most Honky/Cracker type meat markets.

Plus there's what I call the "petting zoo" of live shrimp, snails, crabs, and sometimes frogs & crayfish squirming in open, damp bins.

Some dead some not. Plus tanks of live fish, with some deceased "floaters" Not sure how this menagerie passes health inspection.

So I discourage my Laotian wife from buying any dead critter there. And I stick to the packaged items, including the AWESOME (and cheap) Mr. Brown's canned coffee!
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Old 04-12-2020, 04:40 PM
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A better headline would be,"Americans being wrongfully targeted become American"

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Anyhow... that's the story according to this news source. There have been a some attacks on people of Asian descent by idiots who think Asians are spreading the virus. So some Asian Americans are allegedly stocking up on firearms for self-defense.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/asian-...ock-up-on-guns
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One side is about Americans finally realizing that they have a right to protect themselves and the other side is about how ignorant people actually are.

Fortunately it sounds like the "idiots" are unarmed in this case.

edit: The following is to help the "idiots"

China: Its a country that supplies the world with the stuff we need
CCP: Its a group of people that control the country that supplies the world with the stuff we need
Chinese Communist Party: The people responsible
Chinese: NOT the people responsible
Chinese Americans: Also NOT the people responsible

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