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Old 02-25-2020, 12:23 AM
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Pistol powders

I been reading about a lot of different pistol powders. I'm currently using Titegroup for 45acp and will be loading a lot of 9mm later this week. I know Titegroup isn't a fan favorite for how fast it burns and how dirty it is. I do agree, it's super dirty stuff. I think I have about a pound left to use, going to try something else that is hopefully cleaner. Looking at a few different ones, HP-38, AA#2 and I been reading some good stuff on shooter world clean shot/major pistol/ultimate pistol. Would just be for mass plinking at the range. Let me know your thoughts.
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Old 02-25-2020, 01:56 AM
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As I recall AA#5 was developed particularly for use in the 9mm. You might want to consider that. CFE pistol isn't too shabby either.
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Old 02-25-2020, 06:13 AM
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I have used a ton of CFE with good result. You use a bit more and it can be a bit “snappy”, but it’s pretty clean with listed charges.
My main stash will always continue to be Bullseye and 231 though.
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Old 02-25-2020, 07:48 AM
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WST has become my favorite for 45 lately. 4.1 & a 230 ball. Even my Mrs likes it.
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Old 02-25-2020, 08:27 AM
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In 9mm for "target" loads I like Titegroup or Bullseye. I don't find them dirty at all. Perhaps a tighter crimp would improve the completeness of powder burn.

For full power loads I like Power Pistol. 6.0 grains with a 115/124gr bullet will be in the 1200fps range.
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Old 02-25-2020, 09:03 AM
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BE is pretty dirty but I didn't think Titegroup was that bad fouling wise. I don't reload for 9mm Luger but AA#2 is quite well suited to 9mm Kurtz (aka .380 ACP), .38 Special (especially in snubby revolvers with it's very good flash suppressants) and doesn't do badly in .45 ACP.

For target loads in .38Spl and .45ACP I like Clays and HP-38, both are pretty clean and are capable of very accurate loads but how either will do in the much higher pressure 9mm Luger I have no idea.

For full power loads in .45 my favorite is Accurate #5 but like all of the Accurate pistol line that I have used, this powder excels in the upper end of a relatively narrow charge range in lower pressure cartridges. How it will do in 9mm I cannot say but it would be worth trying a pound and if nothing else you can make some outstanding hot loads in .38Spl and .45 ACP with it!
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Old 02-25-2020, 10:00 AM
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For years, in the past, I was a potential "first adopter" of many new and reputedly "great" pistol powders, but I have always come back to Bullseye. I have only one pistol powder on the bench or in my home for reloading .45 ACP, 9mm and .380.
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Old 02-25-2020, 12:09 PM
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I use hp38 and it is not the cleanest but you are going to clean your gun anyway. Been looking at cfe but I still have 8lbs of hp 38 to burn up.
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Old 02-25-2020, 12:13 PM
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There are lots of good 9mm powders, but...

My absolute favorite 9mm powder is Silhouette. It's super clean, easy metering, shoots soft and all the loads I've tried have been very consistent and accurate. Beyond that, it's inexpensive and very east to find, both in store and online. It checks every single box I have for good powder characteristics.

I actually bought it to try in 45acp but never got around to trying it there. (yet!)
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Old 02-25-2020, 12:22 PM
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Titegroup and Clays cover most everything for me.
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Old 02-25-2020, 02:19 PM
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45--I like HP38/ W231
9mm--I like CFE Pistol

In either case, I don't load bunny fart ammo.
I stick with medium to full loads.
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Old 02-25-2020, 05:23 PM
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3.2 grains of Titegroup under a 147 grain bullet makes powder factor and my wife has shot thousands of them.
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Old 02-25-2020, 07:32 PM
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I honestly can’t say I’ve ever found any powder to be “too dirty” to be considered. I can say some powders and/or charge weights are not accurate. I freely admit that I do not like the recoil impulse of some powders. I’m not fond of shooting loads that produce a lot of smoke, especially when shooting indoors. I really like Titegroup for 9mm and Bullseye for 45 Auto.
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Old 02-25-2020, 07:49 PM
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It is important to understand that powders burn inefficiently in low power loads. To burn more efficiently, you must load in the upper range for the particular powder/bullet combination.

More efficient burn = less powder residue or dirt.

I cover most 900fps loads with W231/HP38 (same powder).

For magnums I like W296/H110 (same powder).

357 I like 2400, it just works better for me in that caliber and for the 45LC I like flammable dirt, you know it as Unique.

I also like 2400 for light loads with heavy bullets in the 45-70.
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Old 02-25-2020, 11:38 PM
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I really like Titegroup in my 45 acp's, but my second choice would be 231.
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Old 02-26-2020, 12:50 AM
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Has anyone used Shooters World Auto Pistol, Clean Shot, Major Pistol, Ultimate Pistol before? An going to try to take advantage of powder valleys hazmat deal and most powders are sold out besides Shooters World. Or is there a reason why 🤔
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Old 02-26-2020, 06:24 AM
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I’m not seeing “most” powders out of stock. Plenty of 231, CFE Pistol, WST, Titegroup, HP38, Clays..........
You are asking about obscure weirdo powders!
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Old 02-26-2020, 07:37 AM
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I'm a Bullseye guy for 45acp, Power Pistol for 9mm. I have an 8lb jug of BE86 waiting on the remainder of Power Pistol to get used up. I've used lots of Power Pistol on full power loads along with range loads for 9mm, it's always worked well. Tried some BE86 when it came out, seems basically the same as Power Pistol with less flash and bang. I mostly shoot outdoors so that doesn't normally bother me at all. I DO notice it indoors and for SD loads, Be86 should produce less flash in low light conditions, can't hurt.
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Old 02-26-2020, 08:35 AM
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For 230 gr. .45 acp, target loads both Vithavouri N-310 and Clays work very well. For 200 gr. lead semi wadcutters, American Select and Winchester Super Target are my first choices. For 9mm there are many choices that I have tried: Titegroup works well for target/competition with FMJ and plated bullets. It burns hot but is fairly clean in 9mm. and there is no possibility of doouble-charging a 9mm case. However, i never use it with lead or coated bullets because of smoke and leading. Hodgdon Universal and Vithavouri N-320 also made very good target 9mm loads. For livlier 9mm, I've used Winchester Super Field (very accurate with Montana Gold 115gr. and 124 gr. bullets) and Vithavouri N-340 (very clean and consistent).
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Old 02-26-2020, 08:47 AM
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W231/HP-38 is my favorite for 9mm and it does great in 45 auto too.
Bullseye is another that works well in both.
I haven't used Titegroup in over 10 years.
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Old 02-26-2020, 09:41 AM
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W231 for .45 ACP.
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Old 02-27-2020, 10:31 PM
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My reloading is geared to one thing--accuracy at 25 and 50 yards, so my results aren't the same as an action pistol gamer.
There is a reason for a range of burn rates.
For .45 Auto, I like 231/HP38, Bullseye, AA2, and Red Dot.
For 9x19, I like Power Pistol and Silhouette.
For 9x21, I like Silhouette
For .38 Super, I like Silhouette and AA7
For .38 Special Wadcutter, I like Bullseye, Red Dot, and AA2
For .32 S&W Long Wadcutter, I like N310 (but, after 15 years, still can't match good factory ammo for accuracy out to 25 yards)
For .32/20 in SAA, I like 231/HP38
For .357 Mag, I like Bullseye for wadcutters and 2400 and AA9
For .44 Rem Mag, I like 2400
For .45 Win Mag, I like 2400
TiteGroup has never produced a tight group at 25 years in any round I have tried it (YMMV)
Should you use the same powders I do? NO, but you might just want to TRY them any way.

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Old 02-28-2020, 12:17 AM
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wHEN I RELOADED 45ACP I USED wst LIKED IT A LOT. BEEN A FEW YEARS SO I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHERS OUT THAT BETTER.
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Old 03-03-2020, 04:44 AM
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You call Titegroup dirty for .45 ACP?

231 is utterly filthy by comparison in my experience.....(4.8 gr of TG vs. 5.7 Gr of 231 with 200 gr RNFP bullet, both good for 840 fps)
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Old 03-03-2020, 05:26 AM
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VVN310 for 55 ACP
VVN330 for 9mm
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