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Old 11-19-2006, 07:57 PM
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Colt's future...

We all know Colt has been on shaky ground the past few years; if for some reason they had to vacate their current location by January, and the next buyer relocated the plant in another state/country, how would you feel about Colt 1911s coming from the new plant without "Hartford, Conn." on them?
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Old 11-19-2006, 07:59 PM
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It ain't gonna happen....say it ain't gonna happen. And at the rate I have been buying Colts, it better not.
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Old 11-19-2006, 08:35 PM
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A different state wouldn’t bother me. A different country would cause me to stop buying Colt 1911's. If Kimber can prosper in Yonkers, Colt should be able to thrive in West Hartford.
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Old 11-19-2006, 09:02 PM
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It is not unusual to see gun porn pics of someone's Colt next to a Rolex watch. Would Rolex be better if made in Conn. - I doubt it.

It is always possible that moving to another Country may improve Colt quality. Foreign auto's are consistant winners in almost every category in owner satisfaction and overall quality control. Maybe a new direction, new management, or infusion of cash, may actually help the product.
Insofar as the vast majority of people reading this post have safe's full of Colt's, my guess is that you are secretly rooting for some sort of Colt implosion in order to increase the collector value of your hand guns.
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Old 11-19-2006, 10:22 PM
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Production in another country would largely render Colt an importer, rather than a maker, and I'd not like to see that happen.
On the other hand, I'd be entirely in favor of moving production to a non-union state. That in itself wouldn't be a guarranteed fix to their complex situation, but it would be a start. Dissolving any relationship with the union and the state & government of Connecticut would be very beneficial.
If that helped with the sporadic QC issues, and the ongoing financial issues, it'd easily balance out the loss of any stamped references to Hartford on the product. Colts are no longer made in the historic Colt Armoury anyway, removing them from Hartford entirely wouldn't bother me any.
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Old 11-19-2006, 10:36 PM
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While I'll admit to a sense of loss if "Hartford, Conn" was no longer stamped on the frame, if it would ensure a long and profitable future for Colt, I'd be happy to see them move. They could probably arrange to keep their office and address in Hartford, even if the guns were "made" somewhere else, a la Springfield's location in IL, but with guns made in Brazil and Croatia.
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Old 11-19-2006, 10:55 PM
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How about in Arizona, next door to Gunsite?
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Old 11-19-2006, 11:32 PM
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Ruger's address is in Connecticut, but most production is in Arizona.
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Old 11-19-2006, 11:43 PM
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Thank goodness this is all a what if?
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Old 11-20-2006, 08:45 AM
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We all know Colt has been on shaky ground the past few years; if for some reason they had to vacate their current location by January, and the next buyer relocated the plant in another state/country, how would you feel about Colt 1911s coming from the new plant without "Hartford, Conn." on them?
This is not a valid assumption or position.

Colt Mfg. Co. is alive and well and will remain that way for the foreseeable
future.

But if you know anything about investing/business, you know that all
companies eventually go bankrupt. No company lasts forever.
Some simply shut down while others are taken over by other companies.

But, Colt Mfg. Co. is nowhere near that point.
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Old 11-20-2006, 09:05 AM
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This is not a valid assumption or position. Colt Mfg. Co. is alive and well and will remain that way for the foreseeable future. But if you know anything about investing/business, you know that all companies eventually go bankrupt. No company lasts forever.Some simply shut down while others are taken over by other companies. BUT, COLT MFG. CO. is NOWHERE NEAR THAT POINT.
Yes, no, maybe, yes and no......because none of us know the reality behind the closed doors and/or behind the scenes. I have watched three companies in my home town that were solid, stable and most viable "suddenly" become either very unsolid, unstable and unviable (thus just closing down in a matter of days) in the case of one or just get taken over and moved to a new city in the blink of an eye because they were solid, but needed to be a bit more so, in the case of two others. Non ended up overseas but they did end up closed down or in new cities, one in state and one out of state.

Also, in my own case, we had a company meeting where "everything was going fine and on track for the next year" one week and found out we had completely new owners (out of the clear blue) a week later. Our company did stay in same location and continued to prosper.

Again, this is a what if and being thus:

I already own COLT, S&W, KIMBER, STI, SPRINGER and Belgiun BHP.....so I would stay with COLT if they road the wave of "movement".

Be safe, shoot well.

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Old 11-20-2006, 12:28 PM
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Colt IS alive, but it's not necessarily well.
Segments of the company have been offered for sale for the past three or four years. The Peacemaker was offered to one domestic maker of another single-action revolver & that company turned Colt down. That info came from a former principal in the potential buyer company.
Colt's future is still up in the air.
I'm hoping the company can stay in business, and they've made sufficient progress to replace some of the job positions they had to let go about 8 years back.
The military side is carrying Colt, and if military sales drop severely, it'll probably mean going under. Colt can't survive on just the 1911 & the Peacemaker, or the AR15.
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Old 11-20-2006, 01:02 PM
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If Colt is having such a bad time, then why don't they produce a good 6-shot CCW revolver with 2.5" and 3" barrel? Make a run of Magnum Carry's. Take advantage of this, and other market demands. Alot of disaffected S&W revolver buyers will jump on a traditional revolver.

Why not compete for the USAF 45 sidearm? Why not make a pocket 9mm again, for the growing CCW market?

Or, just rely on the military for contracts as the democrats take over, and sell 1911's in a saturated market. Did their buisness planners formerly work at GM? YMMV. Regards 18DAI.
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Old 11-20-2006, 09:23 PM
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They don't have a lot of development money, and they can't afford to gamble much right now.
You may notice they're producing guns they pretty much know they can sell, in variations on basic versions that don't require much additional equipment or personnel to handle.
Past marketing has been...less than effective in some areas. The small-framed concealed carry revolvers is one example.
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Old 11-20-2006, 09:27 PM
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Wouldn't bother me in the least. If they need to relocate...domestically...to return to the glory days...go for it!
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Old 11-20-2006, 09:44 PM
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This is not a valid assumption or position.

Colt Mfg. Co. is alive and well and will remain that way for the foreseeable
future.

But if you know anything about investing/business, you know that all
companies eventually go bankrupt. No company lasts forever.
Some simply shut down while others are taken over by other companies.

But, Colt Mfg. Co. is nowhere near that point.
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Old 11-23-2006, 08:45 PM
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Colt Moving?

Well, if a frog had wings))))))))))))))) well we all know the story! IF?
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Old 11-23-2006, 09:13 PM
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I'd like to see them in southwest Ohio, I'd apply for a job. It's good to see nice looking Colts on dealer shelves and at gun shows again, and I hope they continue to grow their business and manufacturing capacity.
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Old 11-23-2006, 09:50 PM
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Gun companies go bankrupt every few years. Some sort of business rule in this industry. Someone ALWAYS buys them or the name -- same thing unless you want old machinery. I think making them anyplace but Hartford (old machinery, old entrenched union) would be better for the product and the buyers.

-- Chuck
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Old 11-24-2006, 06:08 AM
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Gun companies go bankrupt every few years. Some sort of business rule in this industry. Someone ALWAYS buys them or the name -- same thing unless you want old machinery. I think making them anyplace but Hartford (old machinery, old entrenched union) would be better for the product and the buyers.

-- Chuck
I really fail to see what the union has in it unless you like to excuse mis-management and love to buy guns made in some third world cesspool. The railroad union I belong to doesn't condone poor workmanship and it takes pride in keeping the company in business and I have seen no proof that the Colt employees union doesn't do the same.

(Solidarity forever, For the union makes us strong. )
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Old 11-24-2006, 05:17 PM
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I hope they stay in business long enough to get out the 4 Model Ps I ordered. Ha. Really. Where did this thought come from? Isn't there a sticky about Colt going out of business threads would be removed? Isn't this pretty much the same thing? Just trying to stir the pot for us I guess.
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Old 11-24-2006, 06:36 PM
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It would be nice to see them locate to South Dakota. Lots of good non union labor available and there are lots of other firearm and ammunition manufacturers here already.

Meanwhile I'll keep my NIB Colts NIB for my sons to enjoy.
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Old 11-25-2006, 06:48 PM
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I would like to see them move to Georgia. Maybe I'd actually see what a new Colt looks like on the shelf Of course most companies move here for the port, so.....maybe we don't want to encourage ease of importation of goods......

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Old 11-25-2006, 07:11 PM
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I'd like to see Colt move to Ft Worth, Texas.

Hire me as CEO.

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Old 11-25-2006, 09:22 PM
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I really fail to see what the union has in it unless you like to excuse mis-management and love to buy guns made in some third world cesspool. The railroad union I belong to doesn't condone poor workmanship and it takes pride in keeping the company in business and I have seen no proof that the Colt employees union doesn't do the same.

(Solidarity forever, For the union makes us strong. )
The only reason your industry is still operating is because of the huge subsidies it gets from the federal government. Ask the thousands of autoworkers who've recently been released from employment about their wonderfull unions and what they've done for them. Representation should never be turned into an industry. Unions have outlived their purpose.
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