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Old 06-26-2020, 07:40 PM
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External Extractor?

What are your thoughts about and/or experiences with Wilson's external extractor like the one featured on the EDC 9?

Any noticeable differences in functionality or reliability?

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Old 06-26-2020, 07:50 PM
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Same set-up as the EDC X9, has not been a problem for most folks. There was a small batch of them get out a year or more ago that were improperly tempered and broke the hook, but since then no reported problems. They are g-t-g these days.
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Old 06-26-2020, 08:49 PM
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It's a funny thing that most 1911 fans think the external extractor is sacrilege. But it's been used on LOTS of pistols successfully for decades. It is very interesting that when Mr. Bill Wilson set about designing a defensive 1911/2011 from the ground up, he ditched the internal extractor. All the 1911s I own have the standard, internal extractor. But frankly, I'd love it if they had external extractors. Much less finicky when it comes to operation.
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Old 06-26-2020, 09:00 PM
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It's a funny thing that most 1911 fans think the external extractor is sacrilege. But it's been used on LOTS of pistols successfully for decades. It is very interesting that when Mr. Bill Wilson set about designing a defensive 1911/2011 from the ground up, he ditched the internal extractor. All the 1911s I own have the standard, internal extractor. But frankly, I'd love it if they had external extractors. Much less finicky when it comes to operation.
Great post, and observation. It is mostly the geometry of the extractor, and the tension it exerts, that make it successful or not. S&W figured it out first methinks, but not without a bit of issues early on. Once one has it down as to what the correct variables are, it seems that it is just as reliable and durable, and simpler to replace by "non-smiths" as the internals are; and also doesn't require the same fitting and tuning once the balance is determined by the designer(s). Bill is very good at figuring out what makes things tick, and innovating a way to simplify and control it.
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Old 06-26-2020, 10:09 PM
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Eh it's fine, I dislike the extra parts and inability to service/adjust it to exactly how I prefer a 1911 to feed and I don't trust it's coil spring nearly as much as an internal one piece.

It works but not to the insanely smooth, creep the slide forward manually millimeter by millimeter total controlled feed an internal allows.
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Old 06-27-2020, 04:51 AM
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7500 rounds thru X9L without a glitch - but I do the maintenance and cleaning as recommended. This was my first external extractor gun - its works well.
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Old 06-27-2020, 05:12 AM
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It works but not to the insanely smooth, creep the slide forward manually millimeter by millimeter total controlled feed an internal allows.
Spend a lot of time creeping your slide there, Striker. Its OK, man...Covid has been hard on all of us.
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Old 06-27-2020, 06:35 AM
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As long as it works, who cares where they put it ;-).
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Old 06-27-2020, 07:20 AM
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Being somewhat of a traditionalist, I prefer the internal extractor on a 1911. Smith and Wesson has had the external extractor figured out since at least the 80’s. My only S&W 1911 is a SW1911TA and the external extractor has functioned flawlessly.

Between my wife’s X9 and mine we have over 10,000 rounds through them and the external extractors have also functioned flawlessly. I’ll admit that I’m overdue changing the extractor spring on mine but other than replacing that every 6,000 rounds there really is no maintenance.

The extractors on any of the EDC guns will function as designed.
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Old 06-27-2020, 07:50 AM
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I like the overall look of the internal extractor. I didn't buy a X9 for a couple of years because of the external extractor. I think they function really well. But I prefer the look of the internal all day, every day. I think that's why WC offers all these different models.
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Old 06-27-2020, 11:53 AM
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My Kimber CDP 11 has been running for 20 years with an external extractor.
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Old 06-27-2020, 01:02 PM
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It works but not to the insanely smooth, creep the slide forward manually millimeter by millimeter total controlled feed an internal allows.
Spend a lot of time creeping your slide there, Striker. Its OK, man...Covid has been hard on all of us.
Hey man, it's nice to be able to handle any load with near zero slide velocity and still have no feed errors. It has made a difference for me in the past in a few scenarios. I've just never had any external type gun handle the cartridges as consistently and precisely as a properly set internal 1911, some have come very close but the X9 is not one of them and it doesn't control the cases nearly as well if you take the mag out. Acts like a Glock if you do
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Old 06-27-2020, 04:19 PM
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If all I cared about was the thing going bang, and easy setup and maintenance, I go with a external. But for me, I like the nostalgia of a 1911, from the sweeping radius cut (no ball cuts or slab slides for me) on the underside nose of the slide to the grip angle and the round top of the slide.

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Old 06-27-2020, 04:23 PM
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I’m one of the few who had the X9 extractor hook chip at 600 rounds and failed to extract the casing after firing. I’m guessing it was improperly hardened. Wilson was great about this and had the gun repaired and back in my hands in about 7-10 days.

That issue of breaking was a super low percentage of guns made. I guess a hardening issue could have happened just as easily on an internal extractor. So I don’t think it was a design flaw.

The external extractor doesn’t require any fitting or adjustment. It makes maintenance and replacement fairly simple.

I bought a replacement extractor for my X9 should that ever happen again I have a spare.
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Old 06-27-2020, 04:29 PM
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People who want the original design should not be criticized.

People who want to replace the original design with an external extractor should not be criticized.

People who don't care should not be criticized.

Each group has their own reasons...and those reasons are valid to them

If we can just accept the above thoughts, then no more problems.
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Old 06-27-2020, 05:17 PM
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I don't happen to have a 1911 derivative with an external extractor, but I would not turn one down that otherwise suited my needs.

I think there is an awful lot of emphasis on form over function these days. While I would not call a pistol with external extractor a "1911" the type has been monkeyed with so much that few current production pistols of the general type qualify, either.
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Old 06-27-2020, 08:33 PM
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Shooting metal cases may not be good on them . My glocks shoot them well but will not fire them in my 1911's
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Old 06-29-2020, 09:46 AM
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People who want the original design should not be criticized.

People who want to replace the original design with an external extractor should not be criticized.

People who don't care should not be criticized.

Each group has their own reasons...and those reasons are valid to them

If we can just accept the above thoughts, then no more problems.
Stop being so reasonable!

(I agree)

For me I like the external extractor just fine on my EDC X9 and whatever non 1911s I have, but for actual 1911s I kinda prefer the internal one for looks and nostalgia, even though the only feeding issues I've ever had with my guns was from extractor tension being off. Easy enough to fix, but it does seem to be a problem point.
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Old 06-29-2020, 04:56 PM
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^^^

Reasonability can be boring but it has some positives

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Old 06-29-2020, 07:41 PM
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Shooting metal cases may not be good on them . My glocks shoot them well but will not fire them in my 1911's
Which metal? Brass is a metal.
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Old 06-29-2020, 09:13 PM
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^^^

I too was puzzled.

My best guess was that the reference intended was to steel and that the concern related to the steel-on-steel impact on the ejector (not the extractor).

But that's only a guess...and guesses don't have a 1,000.00 batting average, or even close.

Perhaps some -- just some -- poorly spec'd (likely foreign) steel case ammo might not work well with a 1911s extractor... another guess.

Hopefully, we'll get a clarification. I'm sure kwo had some kind of bad experience or knowledge, and it wouldn't hurt for us to know what it was.
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Old 06-29-2020, 10:28 PM
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Over 25k of them on my guns, people at the bash watched 1000 more sail through the air. Even used some lacquer case this time, kinda regretting it on the cleaning side now though.,...
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