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Old 06-05-2017, 05:21 PM
Scoville Scoville is offline
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Afpg nm

I have a chance to buy a AFPG NM in about 95% condition. What can you guys tell me about it and price range.
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Old 06-06-2017, 06:07 PM
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NM 7200,made in 1960.What else can you guys tell me about this pistol.I will see it again on Thursday.would like to know what else to look for.
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Old 06-06-2017, 07:00 PM
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Beats me, the only AFPG I have seen was a built USGI similar to Springfield miliary match.
A Gold Cup massaged by USAF is different.
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Old 06-06-2017, 10:21 PM
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All AFPG guns are scarce. I have never seen an AFPG marked Gold Cup. Not being a M1911A1 works against it value-wise, I would think.

Without more info and more pics we are left to guessing. My guess, and it's only a guess, would be something in the $2000-2500 range.

HTH.

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Old 06-07-2017, 07:03 AM
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Interesting. Looks like the barrel bushing has been changed from the beveled plug style that era of NM pistols had, and the slide is marked with the serial number. I would inspect it closely for other modifications. Hard to put a value on it. For some it's worth less because it's been modified from original, but military provenance could offset that.
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Old 06-07-2017, 10:42 AM
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All AFPG guns are scarce. I have never seen an AFPG marked Gold Cup. Not being a M1911A1 works against it value-wise, I would think.

Without more info and more pics we are left to guessing. My guess, and it's only a guess, would be something in the $2000-2500 range.

HTH.

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Charlie
Price looks about right.
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Old 06-07-2017, 07:58 PM
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there is a pretty darned complete history of the air force program; discontinued in 1969. you can find it at www.airforceshooting.org
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Old 06-08-2017, 04:12 PM
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Ok I bought the pistol this morning, I did get province with the pistol.Pretty cool it came from an Airforce Major General. Will post more pictures.
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Old 06-08-2017, 04:18 PM
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Old 06-08-2017, 04:23 PM
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A lot of machine work done on the slide
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Old 06-08-2017, 04:33 PM
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Old 06-08-2017, 04:48 PM
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That's an interesting pistol. It has a USGI NM barrel. I like that it has had an NSN assigned to it.

So how did you do on the price vis-a-vis the range I suggested above?

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Charlie
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Old 06-08-2017, 05:23 PM
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I got it for 1100.00.what do you think about the letter and value of it now? If anyone wants to see anything else on it let me know.
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Old 06-08-2017, 05:34 PM
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Scoville:

I think you got it for a great buck.

It is a very specialized piece that, in my opinion, would be most attractive to a limited sector of the M1911 pistol collector community. That's only because it is not a widely recognized variant, like the USGI M1911A1 NM pistols. Once something is outside of the mainstream some collector interest wanes. However, with the letter and the NSN assignment I find it to be a very interesting pistol.

Congrats on a fine pistol.

Charlie
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Old 06-08-2017, 06:14 PM
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"Machine work" to slide interior is Colt standard for early Gold Cup.
I've seen a lot of IMI/TZZ contract items but this is the first NM barrel from them.
Note that marking is AFPG-W probably for Wadcutter. Stick to midrange loads if you shoot it.
$1100 is a typical price for a nice but stock GC. I can't estimate a dollar value but it should be more.
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Old 06-08-2017, 08:34 PM
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If it was an unmodified GC in that same condition, $1100 would be a good price. They often go quite bit higher in excellent condition with box and papers, but the military provenance makes it interesting to different group of collectors who might pay a premium and disregard the non-stock barrel.
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Old 06-09-2017, 12:09 AM
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I got it for 1100.00.what do you think about the letter and value of it now? If anyone wants to see anything else on it let me know.
I love it. Really nice General's pistol. Thank you for sharing.
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Old 06-09-2017, 08:49 AM
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What do you guys think about getting a Colt factory letter for this pistol?Worth it or not.Thanks
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Old 06-09-2017, 10:40 AM
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Probably not. You already have pretty air tight provenance proving it was in military service as a match pistol and issued to a general. What would a Colt letter establish other than the location it was originally shipped to? But it's your money.
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Old 06-09-2017, 11:22 AM
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Thanks that is what I was thinking, but didn't know if I was missing something.
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Old 06-09-2017, 01:26 PM
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Like Jim said the hollowed-out slide was normal for early Gold Cups. It's not a good idea to shoot full-power .45 loads through it other than an occasional basis because it may eventually crack.
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Old 06-09-2017, 05:40 PM
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On the factory letter issue, if you planned to keep the gun and are a military collector then it would be interesting to learn if the gun shipped to the Air Force. Another possibility is that it would letter as shipped to Arthur Cooke (an eastern dealer known to have supplied a number of interesting weapons to the USAF and other governmental organizations) or a dealer in the San Antonio area from which the Lackland AFB gunsmiths obtained it. A direct shipment to the USAF would be noteworthy.

Someone above mentioned that this pistol "was issued to a General". I can't get the Air Force letter image above to open for me now, but when I read it the other day it seemed to me to simply be a letter authorizing an Air National Guard GO to buy a match pistol. It seems doubtful to me that a Gold Cup National Match pistol would have been "issued" to a GO, although the AF GO's had some leeway in GO pistol selection.

I think this is a cool pistol that would appeal to a certain group of martial pistol collectors. (I am in that group!)

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Old 06-09-2017, 06:36 PM
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It's definitely a niche collector thing. I've never been interested in match pistols and rifles not matter what they were. Just the guns that Willie and Joe carried. I know there are other collectors who are only interested in 1945 and older pistols and have no interest in post-war Colt 1911s unless there's some special significance to them. Whatever puts the jam in your jelly roll, I guess.
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Old 06-09-2017, 07:42 PM
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I'm a current member of the Air Force Pistol Team and very jealous of this buy! The pistol you acquired is from an era when the Air Force had a full time marksmanship unit and gunsmith shop to support. Our shooting program is still alive but we are part time (off duty) shooters and our gunsmith shop's ability to support is is limited.

As previously mentioned, you can find a good bit of the history online. Here's a page with some AFPG history from an American Rifleman article...http://www.airforceshooting.org/ararticle.html

Your pistol is from a time when members of our team that were "2600 shooters" were not assured of making the primary team at Bullseye matches...congrats on acquiring a piece of history that is particularly special to a small group of Airmen!
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Old 06-09-2017, 09:22 PM
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Someone above mentioned that this pistol "was issued to a General". I can't get the Air Force letter image above to open for me now, but when I read it the other day it seemed to me to simply be a letter authorizing an Air National Guard GO to buy a match pistol. It seems doubtful to me that a Gold Cup National Match pistol would have been "issued" to a GO, although the AF GO's had some leeway in GO pistol selection.
The first line of the letter states "Thank your for your letter on retaining your Personal Defense Weapon (PDW) upon retiring from the Air National Guard." That sounds like keeping the pistol he had in his possession.
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