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Old 12-29-2019, 06:24 PM
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M1911 dating to 1917

I recently acquired this old warhorse, an 196xxx. From what I can tell, besides the barrel it looks to be mostly original. But I'm no expert. What do you guys think?
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Old 12-29-2019, 06:39 PM
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Hammer looks a little to nice
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Old 12-29-2019, 06:49 PM
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The slide is later than the frame and the US Property mark has been filed off. Still a nice old piece to have, but it's not a top-dollar collectible by any means.
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Old 12-29-2019, 07:21 PM
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man... if old guns could talk. thanks for sharing!
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Old 12-29-2019, 07:25 PM
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Yes, I noticed the US Property Mark's had been removed. Not an uncommon thing from what I've read. How did you determine the slide is later than the frame? I'm trying to learn. It has the rampant colt at the rear of the slide. Thanks.
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Old 12-29-2019, 08:22 PM
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Here is a shot of the rampant colt stamp.
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Old 12-29-2019, 08:37 PM
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just trying to match up the rampant Colt in my Poyer book, it looks to be a Type 3, 2nd Variation, which would be correct, I think. I don't know anything much about that, but that's what I'm reading, at least. by the way... I love it when new guys post good, clear pictures that can be zoomed in on. That really helps a lot, and makes it much more enjoyable to inspect these things. Thank you!

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Old 12-29-2019, 09:16 PM
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How did you determine the slide is later than the frame?
Actually I misread the SN and thought it said 169xxx instead of 196xxx. A 169xxx would still have the Serif rollmarks but by 196xxx it should be plain block letters.

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Old 12-29-2019, 09:30 PM
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that's okay... it cause me to look it up and learn a little bit. funny thing is... I was a little apprehensive about disagreeing with you, and I didn't want to step on your toes, since I know you definitely know what you're talking about.

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Old 12-30-2019, 12:58 AM
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Thanks guys, I appreciate your insight and experience. While it appears well used, it does not appear to be abused. If it could talk, the stories it could tell.
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Old 12-30-2019, 09:40 AM
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Old 01-02-2020, 04:40 PM
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I took took the old warhorse to the range today. I ran about 60 rounds through it, 230gr FMJ, both new and reloads. It ran flawlessly and shot right to point of aim at 10 yards. I couldnt be happier with it. I also shot my Auto Ordnance 1911 for comparison. Very similar, but I liked the smoothness of the old original the best.
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Old 01-02-2020, 09:06 PM
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I'd recommend a new set of recoil, mainspring, and sear spring from Colt before you shoot much more. Weak springs upset the timing a bit.

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Old 01-03-2020, 06:02 AM
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Good idea, thanks. I don't plan to shoot it a lot, I think its earned semi-retirement. My AO 1911 is for regular use. But damn, it sure was a pleasure to shoot!
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Old 01-09-2020, 11:18 AM
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It's a nice old pistol, I wouldn't shoot it.
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Old 01-29-2020, 08:02 PM
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Yes, that pistol was not hardened like the later guns were - it is not worth risking damage to a classic M1911 original when we have newer ones to shoot!

I have a couple of WWI era M1911 originals, but, except for function testing (with new springs, first and a ShokBuff) they don't get shot. (I do want to know for sure they are still ready, if ever needed.)

And after over 100 years, they are still ready to "Take Care Of Business!". CC
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Old 01-30-2020, 12:38 PM
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Yes, that pistol was not hardened like the later guns were - it is not worth risking damage to a classic M1911 original when we have newer ones to shoot!

I have a couple of WWI era M1911 originals, but, except for function testing (with new springs, first and a ShokBuff) they don't get shot. (I do want to know for sure they are still ready, if ever needed.)

And after over 100 years, they are still ready to "Take Care Of Business!". CC
Thanks - good advice. I've shot it once and it ran perfectly. I would like to shoot it every once in a while, but not a lot. I've ordered a new recoil spring and shock-buff for it. I have an AO 1911 GI clone and Ruger SR1911 regular use.
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Old 02-10-2020, 12:14 PM
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I installed a new recoil spring and shock Buff last week., I took it to the range yesterday - it ran like a champ. It will enjoy the retired life now, but I'll leave them in so I know its ready if duty calls.
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Old 02-10-2020, 12:52 PM
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Hammer looks a little to nice
That is because the small parts (hammer, trigger, thumb safety, magazine release and slide release) were hardened separately and took the finish better.
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