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Old 02-10-2020, 12:45 PM
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Info on 1943/44 Colt 1911A1 please

Hi - I have a USGI 1911A1 that I feel confident is all original with original finish but would appreciate thoughts/confirmation on it. I traded for it awhile back for a Python from a reputable dealer but just want to be sure. Condition is excellent with no rust, pitting and finish is 99%. Barrel bore looks new with no pitting and excellent rifling.

Would appreciate everyone's thoughts and where you would value it. Thanks!
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Old 02-10-2020, 12:50 PM
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More pics...
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Old 02-10-2020, 12:53 PM
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The reason I have 1943/44 is some sites are showing it was a Dec 1943 shipment and others are saying first shipment in 1944. Not sure if it really matters when it comes to value or not since it's after the date when Colt stamped serial on slide. Thanks.
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Old 02-10-2020, 01:59 PM
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Looks right to me.
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Old 02-10-2020, 03:00 PM
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my info shows January of 1944.

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Old 02-10-2020, 03:42 PM
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my info shows January of 1945.
His is 1161xxx, Jan '45, mine is 2261xxx, Feb '45...
His has a wide hammer, mine's a slab side.
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Old 02-10-2020, 03:42 PM
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Where are you seeing those dates? All the websites I've seen show 1943 ending at 160,xxx and and 1944 starting at 161,xxx. Thanks.
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Old 02-10-2020, 03:45 PM
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Am I reading this wrong... Sorry if I am. Thought it shows 161,xxx as beginning 1944
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Old 02-10-2020, 03:48 PM
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This is from gundata.org... Think it also shows 1944 unless I'm reading wrong
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Old 02-10-2020, 04:37 PM
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According to Meadows' the OP's pistol was shipped January 5th 1944 in a 9600 gun shipment.
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Old 02-10-2020, 05:06 PM
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my apologies... when I typed mine, I hit a '5' instead of a '4'. Should have read, January 1944. My info came from the Meadows Book.
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Old 02-10-2020, 05:26 PM
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Scott Wilson.
Yes, you are correct. 5 January 1944 shipment date.

JPTerry
I am probably being hyper critical. Forgive me.
The Ordnance Acceptance marking is cockeyed, not unusual at all, but I can't discern evidence of bare or burnished metal. The Colt Verified Proof mark on the left trigger guard doesn't exhibit bare or burnished metal either. On the other hand, the pistol does not look refinished and appears as issued with very, very slight holster wear.
You might want to take a soft bristle tooth brush and gently "clean" the aforementioned markings with Ballistol or Kroil to better exhibit their correctness.
All that being said, I think it is a high quality example of an early 1944 Colt, 1911A1
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Old 02-10-2020, 06:20 PM
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I am definitely seeing numerous indicators of original finish, a very nice pistol.
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Old 02-10-2020, 06:52 PM
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Thanks everyone for comments and confirmation of Jan 1944... Much appreciated. A few more pics for those that enjoy them.
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Old 02-10-2020, 07:58 PM
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The oil film on the surface makes it hard to pick out the proper details, but I see nothing on that pistol that would hint at it being refinished.

BTW there are all sorts of serial number lists floating around that are outdated and inaccurate, both in print and on the web. Only Clawson's and Meadows' information should really be trusted.
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Old 02-10-2020, 09:02 PM
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Awesome Colt example - I think $3k all day every day.
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Old 02-10-2020, 10:30 PM
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BTW the proper magazine for it would be a contract unit marked with either C-L, C-R, or C-S on the bottom.
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Old 02-10-2020, 10:40 PM
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BTW the proper magazine for it would be a contract unit marked with either C-L, C-R, or C-S on the bottom.
Thanks DSK, doing some research it looks like Colt mags were stamped this way during that time with no stamps on the top of the lip. Is that not accurate? Below is a screenshot from another post on it. Is this accurate?
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Old 02-11-2020, 03:56 PM
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The OP's magazine may be a commercial/military transfer. It looks to be phosphate on the bottom. How about a few pictures of the magazine out of the pistol.
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Old 02-11-2020, 07:55 PM
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By 1943/44 Colt was using contract magazines almost exclusively. They will be marked on the bottom as I said but will also have the L, S, or R on the top lip as well. Non-Colt contract mags sold to Remington Rand, Ithaca, etc only had the top lip marking. I forget if the Colt ones were entirely made by the contractors or if Colt received components and finished them.
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Old 02-11-2020, 08:38 PM
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According to Meadows, Colt received the magazine components from the subcontractors, Little, Risdon or Scoville.....assembled and finished the magazines at Colt.
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Old 02-12-2020, 10:02 AM
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I will post good pics of the magazine tonight. It is blued and pinned with no markings on the lip.

Also, can someone educate me on the trigger transition from milled to stamped? Is the trigger correct for this time period? Thanks.
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Old 02-12-2020, 05:54 PM
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Take a look at the post of 6Feb20 called "Identify this magazine". There you will see two different magazines, both purported as original, unmarked Colt magazines. They both came off 1943 pistols.....I'm not mistaken
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Old 02-13-2020, 07:45 AM
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Thanks for additional help. Here are a few pics of the mag.
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Old 02-13-2020, 09:54 AM
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Very neat COLT, thanks for sharing!
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