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Old 01-07-2017, 12:56 PM
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Gold Dot vs Federal HST LE 45acp

I have decided to move into JHP for SD and carry from FMJ-FN ammo and not sure which one of the two is more accurate to POA/POI .
Not so much worried about the expansion part , i'm sure they both will get the job done in that field .
I will be using these rounds in a 5" Colt Govt Series 80 Enhanced 1911 .
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Old 01-07-2017, 12:59 PM
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You'll have to shoot them both to see which is more accurate for you. I have both on hand and have no qualms about the accuracy of either. I typically carry the HST purely for performance reasons.
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Old 01-07-2017, 01:08 PM
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Federal, hands down. Better penatration, by almost 2", and better expansion by 20%...

As for accuracy, I've never had any issues with HST. It hits where I want it to, consistently.
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Old 01-07-2017, 02:03 PM
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According to national statistics the average SD range is under 10'. I would venture to say accuracy is a moot point. If someone can't put all their shots in the boiler room in under 10, they have no right carrying.
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Old 01-07-2017, 02:48 PM
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Thanks everyone , HST it is then .
Just talked to my brother and he said that's what he uses in his guns for LE duty as well .
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Old 01-08-2017, 02:51 PM
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the HST is an excellent choice. The Gold Dot is a bonded bullet, if that makes a difference for your application. If you are anticipating having to reach thru intermediate barriers such as a car windshield, the Gold dot may be worth a second look. The 2nd Gen GD is also a good contender.
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Old 01-08-2017, 03:01 PM
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I carry HST or Remington Golden Saber.
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Old 01-08-2017, 03:27 PM
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Is the Golden Saber bonded ?
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Old 01-08-2017, 05:48 PM
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I dont know why you need bonded unless you shoot through a barrier. Aka windshield etc. this is only my opinion.
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Old 01-08-2017, 07:07 PM
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I dont know why you need bonded unless you shoot through a barrier. Aka windshield etc. this is only my opinion.
It may have deeper penetration than a non bonded HP and go through certain barrier but it won't be as wicked as a raging FMJ .
Since I'm switching to JHP from using FMJ-FN ammo I just want to be sure it gets the job done right the first time .

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Old 01-09-2017, 06:52 AM
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If you want it done right the first time, bullet placement is more important then type of bullet.
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Old 01-09-2017, 07:19 AM
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Either will do the job well! Pick up both and choose which your gun shoots reliably and feeds and functions the best. Sometimes, one will function in the 1911 platform and one will not. Yours may eat both just fine. But only one way to find out.

My Carry 1911 chokes on about every 1 in 50 HST rounds. For me, that's one too many failures. It will shoot Gold Dot and Golden Sabre without failure though.
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Old 01-09-2017, 07:29 AM
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I dont know why you need bonded unless you shoot through a barrier. Aka windshield etc. this is only my opinion.
Golden sabres have a known tendency for complete jacket separation in their regular HP. Their bonded HP corrects that and keeps the price low.

Gold dots are the best jack of all trades and does everything good, but nothing great.

I prefer HSTs and Winchester Ranger T for home defense they get big and nasty (almost 1" wide in 45) and I don't want to shoot through walls or auto glass.

Check out tnoutdoors9 on YouTube. He's tested the major HPs and is a good source of info.
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Old 01-10-2017, 01:00 PM
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I have both 'in stock'/ on hand.

Federal HST 230 gr. & Speer Gold Dot 230 gr.
More of the HST cuz Gold Dot I don't see often
on the shelves in LGS Also have some 230 gr.
XTPs All three rated at 890 FPS so POA/POI is
near the same

Current carry ammo is the HST.

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Old 01-10-2017, 09:36 PM
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Is the Golden Saber bonded ?
There is a bonded version of Golden Saber. They are a little hard to find these days.
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Old 01-10-2017, 09:41 PM
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HST and Gold Dot are both excellent choices. I have tested both and settled on HST because they seem to feed better than Gold Dot in the guns I have tested.
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Old 01-11-2017, 12:05 AM
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I carry HST+P's in my .45's
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Old 01-11-2017, 06:54 AM
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I just bought a couple of boxes of HST, 230gr, they shot as accurately as anything I've shot out of my gun, I'll keep 'em. I'd have NO problems carrying Gold Dots, they are proven.
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Old 01-11-2017, 07:53 AM
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Don't leave out the Ranger T, or PDX1. Both are excellent choices.
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Old 01-11-2017, 11:36 AM
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Speer Gold Dot 185gr for my Sig P227 and Sig 1911.
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Old 01-11-2017, 01:17 PM
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Myself, I run the 230 grain Speer Gold Dot, but I reload my own. I don't think there's anything better, maybe equal, but not superior.

The Golden Saber is an excellent round as well. One has to be careful when purchasing them, as they come in two flavors - bonded and brass. You need to know the item number, as both have the same lettering on the boxes - 230 grain JHPB - very misleading for the consumer. Brass will separate on rare occasion but bonded won't.

You can't purchase the Saber bonded bullets as components, Remington will only sell the brass version as loading components, which are excellent but not bonded and that's a huge difference.
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Old 01-11-2017, 01:26 PM
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If you want it done right the first time, bullet placement is more important then type of bullet.
Of course, but wouldn't it be wise to strive for both? Work on your placement through training and practice, while having the best resource available in the gun. I find myself rolling my eyes at this logic. Bullet placement and round performance are not mutually exclusive and combine for the best outcome.
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Old 01-11-2017, 04:29 PM
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I carry HST+P's in my .45's
Do you have to go with a stiffer recoil spring with +p rounds ?
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Old 01-11-2017, 04:31 PM
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I agree that it is best to try each one you are interested in. That said, here is some test results of popular brands. Open to subjective interpretation, of course, but food for thought:

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self...llistic-tests/
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Old 01-11-2017, 04:52 PM
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I agree that it is best to try each one you are interested in. That said, here is some test results of popular brands. Open to subjective interpretation, of course, but food for thought:

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self...llistic-tests/
Awesome tests and results , thanks for that link .
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