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Old 01-06-2017, 09:36 AM
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California VS The AR-15

Got shut down on the AR sub for this but why is Commiefornia so determined to ban the AR-15 once called the HOLLYWOOD gun because Armalite was home there. Shouldn't they be protecting their history instead of denouncing it? The AR is 100% American, but a state that hates America and seems to want to return to Mexico. They should think twice for what they wish for, overpopulation and persistant poverty.

I am not up on their new 2017 draconian laws that blatently defy the second ammendment. Maybe someone can let us know in a synopsis the new laws. When did polititions who, not one of, ever got their hands dirty working nor know anything about engineering and physics tell gun makers how to make their guns work. This is like what Washington does on their pollution standards on cars, and telling farmers to make their cows stop farting. Until these same idiots understand a law abiding educated and trained armed populous is safer than a group of unprotected sheep.

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Old 01-06-2017, 09:46 AM
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Recognize that progressives (I have quit calling them liberals, since classic liberals didn't have their malady) have a fatal mental disorder.
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Old 01-06-2017, 09:55 AM
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They should think...
You've just identified the problem and in essence, answered your own question.
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Old 01-06-2017, 10:10 AM
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You might look at it this way.

An armed population is very difficult to control. Whereas an unarmed population is basically defenseless against an armed government. You will notice they make no mention of ridding the entire state of firearms, only the ones in private hands.
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Old 01-06-2017, 10:17 AM
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I remember an article about how Commiefornia made such a drastic law they had to ammend it in a special session to allow Police departments and officers an exemption. I believe it was magazine size.

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Old 01-06-2017, 01:44 PM
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To progressive liberals guns are the perfect boogeyman for every problem CA has regarding its out-of-control crime rate. That's why the politicians there literally fall over each other in their haste to submit new gun control proposals. Would you expect anything different?
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Old 01-06-2017, 02:11 PM
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That's it precisely...victims are dependent upon the government for safety and control. The larger the victim pool...well, there you go.


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An armed population is very difficult to control. Whereas an unarmed population is basically defenseless against an armed government. You will notice they make no mention of ridding the entire state of firearms, only the ones in private hands.
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Old 01-06-2017, 02:31 PM
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If they would all stay there, then that would be fine. But the problem is that the CA liberals are moving into NV, slowly remaking this state into one that they left. Case in point, the recent background check referendum that won by .8% of the vote, mostly coming from Clark County, the most populous county and where Las Vegas is.

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Old 01-06-2017, 02:34 PM
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In CA it is now for juvenile females to work as prostitutes, but not adults. It's also now illegal for cows to fart because it's contributing to global warming. Seriously! I vote to let CA secede from the USA and let all the illegals and liberals migrate there.
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Old 01-06-2017, 03:29 PM
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An armed population is very difficult to control. Whereas an unarmed population is basically defenseless against an armed government. You will notice they make no mention of ridding the entire state of firearms, only the ones in private hands.
Good point.

Socialists/progressives view 2A as a dangerous constitutional right. There are probably more of those in CA than any other state by a margin of at least 2 to 1. That's why if you live in CA you will never have the same RKBA as people in most other states until those living there come to their senses. When other states are passing constitutional carry, CA is going in the opposite direction by banning more firearms, magazines or something else. CA is going down the same path as Venezuela, getting very close to a total gun ban.

I'm a proponent of states rights however and feel that if people in CA want to run their state like a communist country with all types of restrictions then they should be able to do that. They just shouldn't be able to do it with federal tax dollars, which is what they're doing.

The great socialist/progressive experiment which is CA is about to collapse under it's own weight. The new congress and administration should hasten it along it's way.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdev.../#5f3516e25890

http://www.newsmax.com/Reagan/Califo.../08/id/570300/
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Old 01-06-2017, 06:13 PM
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I know it's a pipe dream, but what would happen if the firearms industry stopping making their products available in California? No guns, no ammo, no accessories. No sales to law enforcement. On top of that, a nationwide movement of gun owners to boycott California businesses and tourist attractions. Boycott sports teams as well that play games there. Yes, I know this sounds really extreme, but what other way can gun owners in the rest of the county help California gun owners during these difficult times. My idea may not sound rational; however, loading up the truck and moving to a gun friendly state isn't really realistic either.
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Old 01-06-2017, 07:16 PM
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It sounds good to me.

But so far the only gun outfit that I know of that will not ship to California for LEOs is Barret. As far as spending money there, you will not see me doing it anytime soon. And there are a lot of things that I like over there. I even have a standing invitation to a nice place to stay in the best part of the State. Right between Big Sur and Monterey.
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Old 01-07-2017, 12:06 AM
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In a state that just legalized marijuana and prostitution by minors, hired Rahm Emanuel (Operation Fast and Furious) to defend the status quo, you have to ask?
Influenced by depraved Hollywood hypocrites and illegal aliens, a once great state has become corrupt beyond belief. The inmates are running the asylum.
Forget about ARs, Californians will be lucky to own muskets in the near future. A sickening state of affairs.
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Old 01-07-2017, 12:50 AM
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Californians will be lucky to own muskets in the near future. A sickening state of affairs.
Pretty much and since we're already only allowed 1lb of black powder....

Demographics.... just saying.
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Old 01-07-2017, 12:55 AM
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I am not up on their new 2017 draconian laws that blatently defy the second ammendment. Maybe someone can let us know in a synopsis the new laws. .
Nothing is ever simple or easy to explain when it comes to California guns laws. But basically when the AWB of 94 expired in 2004, California opted to renew it. Shortly thereafter, some cleaver person came up with an invention called a "Bullet Button." This was a new style of magazine release button that turned a detachable magazine AR into a fixed magazine. In order to release the mag on a bullet buttoned AR, you had to use a tool to depress the button (the tip of a bullet served the purpose, hence it's name "bullet button").

Ya with me so far? The addition of a bullet button to a regular AR turned the gun into a fixed magazine weapon, thus, rendering the AWB laws moot. The gun community viewed this as a logical and legal way to follow the law. The anti gun community viewed this as a clever loophole to skirt the AWB laws.

Soooo...these new 2017 laws close the bullet button loophole in a myriad of ways that they're still trying to workout all the details on. Here are the proposed options so far...

Option 1:

Take your bullet buttoned AR and REGISTER it as an ASSAULT WEAPON. Speculation is you will need to keep your bullet button on and you won't be able to sell it or will it to a family member upon death. When you die, the gun will, likely, need to be surrendered to authorities.

Option 2:

Turn it into what's called a featureless weapon. This involves getting rid of the "evil features" like the pistol grip, etc. Basically this involves turning the gun into something that no longer even remotely resembles an AR.

Option 3:

The third option is to install the Bullet Button Gen 2. This device would require a person to separate the upper from the lower in order to release and change the magazine.

Oh and you have to sell, destroy or otherwise get rid of all magazines in excess of 10 rounds. This includes those mags that were "grandfathered" back when they initially said, "no more new 'high capacity' mags." So no, nobody wants to take your guns...just the magazines that make the guns work. And there is no compensation of any kind provided for the surrendering of your legally purchased property.

Yea, it's that messed up here. And we should ALL be concerned. Because stupidity like this spreads like a disease. As long as this kind of thing is going on in one part of the country, it can spread to the rest.

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Old 01-07-2017, 07:16 AM
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Just like Conneticut? Cut off their nose to spite their face? Guns were once their biggest employer and economic force in the state.
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Old 01-07-2017, 08:08 AM
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Another example of out of control government.. California VS the people...
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Old 01-07-2017, 02:02 PM
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Nothing is ever simple or easy to explain when it comes to California guns laws. But basically when the AWB of 94 expired in 2004, California opted to renew it. Shortly thereafter, some cleaver person came up with an invention called a "Bullet Button." This was a new style of magazine release button that turned a detachable magazine AR into a fixed magazine. In order to release the mag on a bullet buttoned AR, you had to use a tool to depress the button (the tip of a bullet served the purpose, hence it's name "bullet button").

Ya with me so far? The addition of a bullet button to a regular AR turned the gun into a fixed magazine weapon, thus, rendering the AWB laws moot. The gun community viewed this as a logical and legal way to follow the law. The anti gun community viewed this as a clever loophole to skirt the AWB laws.

Soooo...these new 2017 laws close the bullet button loophole in a myriad of ways that they're still trying to workout all the details on. Here are the proposed options so far...

Option 1:

Take your bullet buttoned AR and REGISTER it as an ASSAULT WEAPON. Speculation is you will need to keep your bullet button on and you won't be able to sell it or will it to a family member upon death. When you die, the gun will, likely, need to be surrendered to authorities.

Option 2:

Turn it into what's called a featureless weapon. This involves getting rid of the "evil features" like the pistol grip, etc. Basically this involves turning the gun into something that no longer even remotely resembles an AR.

Option 3:

The third option is to install the Bullet Button Gen 2. This device would require a person to separate the upper from the lower in order to release and change the magazine.

Oh and you have to sell, destroy or otherwise get rid of all magazines in excess of 10 rounds. This includes those mags that were "grandfathered" back when they initially said, "no more new 'high capacity' mags." So no, nobody wants to take your guns...just the magazines that make the guns work. And there is no compensation of any kind provided for the surrendering of your legally purchased property.

Yea, it's that messed up here. And we should ALL be concerned. Because stupidity like this spreads like a disease. As long as this kind of thing is going on in one part of the country, it can spread to the rest.

What can you do to help? At a minimum, make sure you are a lifetime member of the NRA. Yes, I realize the NRA isn't perfect. But they are still the single best option for restoring and keeping our gun rights. Until something better comes along, please join and give generously.

No man is free until we all are!

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Wish I could agree with you about the NRA, but they're only about the status quo. You don't see them fight in Chicago, Washington DC, Cali etc. Basically, if you're screwed too bad. Watching them try and submarine the heller case was just disgusting. Not only will I not help you fight these illegal laws, if you go out and find representation we'll try and take over your case, combining it with a sure loser???

In the end they're the same as the rest, keep the money flowing in and don't rock the boat.

I wanted to thank whoever wrote about the bullet button, I've read about it several times but it was never written in a way I grapes.

Finally, Cali's latest gen of genius = register when you purchase ammo. These dumbasses didn't study history at all, or are just so arrogant they think they're somehow special and those lessons of the past will never bite them in the ass.
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Old 01-07-2017, 02:19 PM
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It's not about the guns, but all about who owns the guns. The California liberal knows - just knows as an article of faith - that the only people who own guns are those racist sexist homophobic Islamophobe illiterate sub-human drooling rednecks and the liberals out here sincerely believe the guns just have to be taken away from "people" like that because they, their way of thinking, their very way of life, are a dangerous threat to damn near every liberal dream and program. ("If only they could understand that what we are doing is for their own good!")

Besides, conservatives own guns too and what better way to tweak your political enemies and show them how powerless they really are?
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Old 01-07-2017, 03:23 PM
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You don't need an AR-15! The police will protect you! Only police should have guns!

The next day...

How dare they shoot that poor disadvantaged victim of society for threatening their lives! He didn't deserve that! Police should only have tasers!

The next day...
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“…Commiefornia…a state that hates America and seems to want to return to Mexico.”
This sort of childish, hyperbolic nonsense only reflects poorly on Second Amendment advocates and gun owners – it’s ridiculous, inane, and untrue; California doesn’t ‘hate’ America, the state is part of America and its residents American citizens.
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Firearm regulatory measures which have not been invalidated by the Supreme Court do not ‘defy’ the Second Amendment, ‘blatantly’ or otherwise.

In addition to being wrong, the thread premise also exhibits contempt for the notion of “states’ rights” – California’s firearm regulatory measures reflect the will of the people of the state, lawfully enacted by their elected representatives, consistent with the state’s constitution and governance policies.

Should a resident of the state of California believe his Second Amendment rights have been violated by the state, he’s at liberty to file suit in Federal court to seek relief.

Although appropriate to debate the merits and efficacy of firearm regulatory measures, to claim such measures ‘defy’ the Second Amendment absent a ruling by the Supreme Court is ignorant and wrongheaded.
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Old 01-07-2017, 04:24 PM
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This sort of childish, hyperbolic nonsense only reflects poorly on Second Amendment advocates and gun owners – it’s ridiculous, inane, and untrue; California doesn’t ‘hate’ America, the state is part of America and its residents American citizens.

Firearm regulatory measures which have not been invalidated by the Supreme Court do not ‘defy’ the Second Amendment, ‘blatantly’ or otherwise.

In addition to being wrong, the thread premise also exhibits contempt for the notion of “states’ rights” – California’s firearm regulatory measures reflect the will of the people of the state, lawfully enacted by their elected representatives, consistent with the state’s constitution and governance policies.

Should a resident of the state of California believe his Second Amendment rights have been violated by the state, he’s at liberty to file suit in Federal court to seek relief.

Although appropriate to debate the merits and efficacy of firearm regulatory measures, to claim such measures ‘defy’ the Second Amendment absent a ruling by the Supreme Court is ignorant and wrongheaded.
states rights only go so far. they can't ignore federally protected RIGHTS. Which the 2nd amendment is. ANY restriction on guns by the states is in fact in direct violation of the 2nd amendment. so basically, pretty much any states restrictions on guns is federally illegal, they're just refusing to recognize and prosecute or enforce them
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Old 01-07-2017, 04:31 PM
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CA voted more that 2-1 in favor of Hillary. Nuff said.

A society so blinded, needs no sympathy or support.

Let the voters in CA wallow in their own poo.
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Pretty much and since we're already only allowed 1lb of black powder....

Demographics.... just saying.
Black Powder Matters........
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Old 01-07-2017, 09:37 PM
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states rights only go so far. they can't ignore federally protected RIGHTS. Which the 2nd amendment is. ANY restriction on guns by the states is in fact in direct violation of the 2nd amendment. so basically, pretty much any states restrictions on guns is federally illegal, they're just refusing to recognize and prosecute or enforce them
Then from that line of reasoning any restriction by the federal government is in violation of the 2nd amendment also. Is NFA, GCA, Brady within the constitution?

What about the gun restrictions in DC? DC is run by the fed and they are more restrictive than any state that I know of.

How is it the federal restrictions are legal and the state restrictions aren't?

The federal gov't has no authority to prosecute and enforce firearms regulations in states other than the restrictions set forth in the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR). Where in the CFR does it say CA, CT or NY can't ban assault weapons? States write their own laws, they have been since the founding. This whole system of gov't was set up so they could. It's called a republic. Things change over time and some states laws are over ruled by federal courts as they were in same sex marriage. So far this hasn't been the case with assault weapons bans.

Personally I wouldn't want to live in a state that wants to regulate to that extreme but until the federal courts change it, that right will stand.
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