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Old 11-14-2016, 08:10 PM
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2017 IDPA rulebook

1 second for each point down
New classifier
PCC Division (Pistol Caliber Carbine)
Optional Visual Cover Reference Lines
Flagrant Procedural

http://www.idpa.com/misc/Rulebook%202017.pdf
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Old 11-14-2016, 10:41 PM
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No more failure to stops; booo.
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Old 11-14-2016, 10:50 PM
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What does one do with the vest while shooting PCC ?
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Old 11-15-2016, 05:04 AM
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No more failure to stops; booo.
FTN is still there.
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Old 11-15-2016, 05:13 AM
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FTN is still there.
They took the 3 Failure To Stop portions out of stage 1. Those are fun.
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Old 11-15-2016, 05:22 AM
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Morphing into a two gun match??

I think we need to get back to 2002, and return the revolver division to one, without the PF jump to 155 for moon clips.I guarantee that speed loaders are just as fast as moon clips. Drop the BUG division, and have an occasional bug match (close).Lower the CDP power factor to 155.Looks like a lightweight 1911 commander is suitable in CCP, with lower PF for ammo.Will try my DW 45 Guardian soon.

I see no mention of having stages revolver neutral. 13 round stages. Downhill for revolver shooters, even though they compete in their division.Just say'g
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Old 11-15-2016, 05:28 AM
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IDPA 2017 Rulebook

Thanks to Amp for supplying the new 2017 rulebook so I saved a copy.

I was on the IDPA website, but did not see the new 2017 rulebook, nor did I find any explanation on the effective date....?

Will the new rules take effect on Jan. 1, 2017, or did they decide on another date...?

With the new 1 second penalty for each point down, is the new Classifier about the same difficulty.....? Is it possible with the new Classifier system and scoring that
shooters may move down in class in their gun division if they have maintained the same shooting proficiency prior to attempting the new Classifier.....?

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Old 11-15-2016, 06:46 AM
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With the new 1 second penalty for each point down, is the new Classifier about the same difficulty.....? Is it possible with the new Classifier system and scoring that
shooters may move down in class in their gun division if they have maintained the same shooting proficiency prior to attempting the new Classifier.....?
Good question.
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Old 11-15-2016, 06:50 AM
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Thanks to Amp for supplying the new 2017 rulebook so I saved a copy.

I was on the IDPA website, but did not see the new 2017 rulebook, nor did I find any explanation on the effective date....?

Will the new rules take effect on Jan. 1, 2017, or did they decide on another date...?

With the new 1 second penalty for each point down, is the new Classifier about the same difficulty.....? Is it possible with the new Classifier system and scoring that
shooters may move down in class in their gun division if they have maintained the same shooting proficiency prior to attempting the new Classifier.....?
You can't move down, barring some extreme circumstances.
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Old 11-15-2016, 07:09 AM
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Thanks for the link!
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Old 11-15-2016, 07:22 AM
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Here is a summary of the new changes (according to my local IDPA club Facebook group):

1) Visual Cover Lines (VCR) may be used if a MD desires.
2) Shooters may try out IDPA 3 times before being required to join IDPA.
3) New FP Flagrant Penalty 10 Seconds (requires MD approval)
4) New 72 round Classifier
5) Reload in the open and continue engaging targets if desired.
6) Any IDPA legal reload anywhere anytime as long as you are not exposed to unengaged targets.
7) One second per point.
8) No required tactical sequence
9) NEW Pistol Caliber Carbine division
10 Bug Revo 5 rounds
11) Intentionally firing rounds as something other than a target. (ie. dumping rounds in a berm)
12) May shoot from middle of port (near to far) 50% upper body exposed.
13) Total movement under own power = 20 yards
14) Re-engage a target anywhere it can safely be done.
15) Semi-auto classification transfers to all semi-auto divisions.
16) No mandating reloads. Reloads as necessary
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Old 11-15-2016, 07:28 AM
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Here is a summary of the new changes (according to my local IDPA club Facebook group):

1) Visual Cover Lines (VCR) may be used if a MD desires.
2) Shooters may try out IDPA 3 times before being required to join IDPA.
3) New FP Flagrant Penalty 10 Seconds (requires MD approval)
4) New 72 round Classifier
5) Reload in the open and continue engaging targets if desired.
6) Any IDPA legal reload anywhere anytime as long as you are not exposed to unengaged targets.
7) One second per point.
8) No required tactical sequence
9) NEW Pistol Caliber Carbine division
10 Bug Revo 5 rounds
11) Intentionally firing rounds as something other than a target. (ie. dumping rounds in a berm)
12) May shoot from middle of port (near to far) 50% upper body exposed.
13) Total movement under own power = 20 yards
14) Re-engage a target anywhere it can safely be done.
15) Semi-auto classification transfers to all semi-auto divisions.
16) No mandating reloads. Reloads as necessary
I'm not going to miss tactical sequence and mandating reloads.
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Old 11-15-2016, 07:35 AM
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From IDPA's Facebook:

We are excited to share the news that the preliminary version of the 2017 IDPA Rulebook and Match Administration Guide is available for member feedback. The proposed rulebook, vetted by the IDPA Board of Directors and Legal, has been posted on IDPA.com for member review. Please note that the updated rulebook is preliminarily scheduled to be effective on Jan. 1, 2017.
The IDPA rulebook feedback period opened on the evening of Nov. 14th and will close on Dec. 3rd to provide current IDPA members ample time to comment. We are again pleased to use this member-focused approach for updates. Collecting member feedback adds a significant amount of time and work to the process, but we believe that it is worth the effort. We will be utilizing a free form email process to collect your thoughts. Without your input, we cannot identify those issues of which you have concerns or thoughtful suggestions. We encourage every current member to utilize this opportunity to give feedback.
The proposed 2017 Rulebook and Match Administration Guide is posted on the IDPA website under www.idpa.com/misc. The feedback email account is:
[email protected]
Your valid IDPA member number must be included in the email subject line for the email to be opened. An automated response will assure you that your comments were received. For suggestions to be considered, they must be constructive and professional.
This email option will be the only channel for members to submit feedback on the rulebook. So that we may concentrate on serving our customers and working through the suggestions, HQ staff will not monitor any forums nor accept suggestions or changes made verbally, via telephone or personal email. Only comments made through this address will be considered.
Announcement will be made via the IDPA website, eBlast, the Tactical Journal and the IDPA official Facebook page when the final version is released. Updated SO training materials will be available soon after that. We look forward to receiving your opinions on the IDPA 2017 Rulebook.
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Old 11-15-2016, 07:41 AM
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22oz weight limit for BUG must be a misprint. PCC is a waste. How does that fit into the "Founding Concepts"?
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Old 11-15-2016, 07:59 AM
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I guarantee that speed loaders are just as fast as moon clips.
Hmmmm. I have shot both a lot and can't disagree more.

A flubbed moonclip reload can be easily salvaged. A bad speed loader reload is much harder to fix.

At the top levels 0.5 - 0.75 each reload will add up.
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Old 11-15-2016, 08:32 AM
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Hmmmm. I have shot both a lot and can't disagree more.

A flubbed moonclip reload can be easily salvaged. A bad speed loader reload is much harder to fix.

At the top levels 0.5 - 0.75 each reload will add up.
I agree that a flubbed reload with a speed loader ie a round. coming out with the loader is a big issue. There are more efficient speed loaders than K&K or Safairiland. I've used SL Variant in my 686 and find them much easier to extract from the pouch than removing moon clips from the spring clip holders.
Wayne Troutman shot a 686 and H&K loaders, with lower match times than 90% of the auto shooters.
That was back when you might see 3 revolver shooters in a 75 entre match.No longer. These adjustable loaders, pop the cartridges right in.
http://bobmacs.com/products/speedloaders
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Old 11-15-2016, 08:44 AM
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I don't see where PCC fits into International Defensive PISTOL Association.

I'd much rather see a Carry Optics Division.
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Old 11-15-2016, 09:25 AM
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Well, this is a PISTOL Caliber Carbine. It may have some merits as a home defense tool and the IDPA is supposedly based off of a personal defense. It is readily available from many vendors, like this https://tresnadefense.com/shop/competition. Or this https://www.jprifles.com/1.2.13_GMR-13.php. Or this http://www.wilsoncombat.com/9mm/
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Old 11-15-2016, 09:31 AM
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PCC is not compliant with IDPA principles. As said, better a Carry Optics division.

Scaling down BUG to eliminate the sawn off service pistols is correct.
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Old 11-15-2016, 09:59 AM
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So many principles, so little love for PCC, so many trying to save the sport...

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Old 11-15-2016, 10:12 AM
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One of our local clubs has a classifier scheduled in December. Would it make sense to run the new classifer?
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Old 11-15-2016, 10:15 AM
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Well, this is a PISTOL Caliber Carbine. It may have some merits as a home defense tool and the IDPA is supposedly based off of a personal defense. It is readily available from many vendors, like this https://tresnadefense.com/shop/competition. Or this https://www.jprifles.com/1.2.13_GMR-13.php. Or this http://www.wilsoncombat.com/9mm/
Under the section: The Founding Concepts of IDPA

"Equipment that is designed with no application for daily, concealed carry is not permitted in this sport."
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Old 11-15-2016, 10:17 AM
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Here's a comparison document with the 2015 Rulebook:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6numg5koj8qt1ds/IDPA Rulebook 2017 vs. 2015.pdf?dl=0
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Old 11-15-2016, 11:57 AM
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Old 11-15-2016, 01:11 PM
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Under the section: The Founding Concepts of IDPA
Yeach, I know. It is not a point I made.
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