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Old 11-26-2019, 11:36 PM
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Type-1 RR 1942? Need help with ID please

Hi guys and gals, I’m hoping to get some clarification on what I have here... I picked this up at a local gun store some time ago for about $700. I was wondering if it is an original type 1 Remington Rand from 1942 or so...? I’ll post some pictures of everything. Thank you.
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Old 11-26-2019, 11:41 PM
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Wondering if this is an early type 1 Remington Rand from 1942 or 1943? Can anyone help ID please?
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Old 11-29-2019, 06:10 AM
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Yup, sure is. It's an uncommon variant and you stole it for $700.
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Old 11-29-2019, 09:02 AM
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It is a very early, original du lite finish pistol shipped as one of approximately 9007 pistols in January 1943. Estimated serial numbers shipped were 921674-930680. The pistol is not "rare" but it is certainly an unusual find and very well bought.
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Old 11-29-2019, 11:23 AM
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Ohmygosh! That thing is in incredible condition and for $700!!!
May I recommend that you do a detailed disassembly, inspection of parts and wipe that beauty down with a soft cotton rag and Hoppes then dry it well and use something like www.CorrosionX.com on it.

WOW!
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Old 11-29-2019, 12:52 PM
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Purchase of the year. Go buy a lottery ticket as well, your numbers may hit with this kind of luck.
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Old 11-29-2019, 12:55 PM
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Congrats you got a pretty nice REMRAND at a very good price.
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Old 11-29-2019, 01:39 PM
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Thanks everyone for your replies. Here are some better pics of it. I’m wondering if there was a way to tell if everything is original to the gun, barrel, magazine (no markings) etc. The finish seems to be is a little darker on the barrel than the rest of the gun... Perhaps a replacement? Also, what price range do these normally sell for these days? Not interested in selling at this time, just curious why $700 was a good deal when I bought itClick image for larger version

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Old 11-29-2019, 02:01 PM
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I do have another 1911, what I believe to be another Remington Rand, but itís a rather paculiar piece... It looks almost exactly like my other one, but.....most all the markings are gone... Iím not sure where to go with this one, perhaps it was sold to another allied country during WWII, used, then we got it back and put another serial number on it? Has anyone ever come across this before? Thank you again Iím advance.

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Old 11-29-2019, 04:38 PM
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Wow that one is the true definition of a "Truck Gun"!

I am not sure but that Serial Number looks sketchy.
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Old 11-29-2019, 05:22 PM
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Beat up old gun- High Standard barrel, Keyes grips, could be an Ithaca slide stop, probably a Colt MSH. Probably an Ithaca receiver due to the large " 5 " digit on the right side of the trigger guard. Ithaca marked pistols like that. Serial number obviously some sort of re-stamp.

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Old 11-29-2019, 06:07 PM
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If a gun-savvy ATF agent saw that one he would confiscate it, because whatever original serial number it had has been obliterated and replaced with another one which is legally is a huge no-no. Unfortunately lots of guns like this are floating around, and the only good news is that ATF usually has bigger fish to fry, so as long as you don't get into trouble for something else the chances of anyone finding out are slim.

As for the first pistol, I agree you won the gun lottery on that one. Leave it alone as the parts on it are likely original. There was a lot of variation with the parts on early Remington Rands because they were out-sourcing a lot of it as they tried to ramp up production.
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Old 11-29-2019, 07:48 PM
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Thank you for your replies. Yes, very sketchy but I wasn't aware when I bought it, simply being a newbie collector several years ago. I got it online from G/B and they sent it to my local dealer. He didn't ask any questions, just wrote the serial number down and it checked out. Very strange, indeed... Thanks for all the input on this.
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Old 11-29-2019, 08:19 PM
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'The finish seems to be is a little darker on the barrel than the rest of the gun... Perhaps a replacement?'

Barrel finish is correct. Remember, barrels and some other parts were made by different makers than the gun and have different finishes. The barrels were blued over a 'mill finish' and the slide and frame in this case were blued with 'Dulite' over a different finish, resulting in different colors and textures. This is one way we determine an original gun. If High Standard barrels are known to be used in the early RRs, it probably is original, but I know there were also other barrels used, like some Colt transfers.
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Old 11-30-2019, 06:18 PM
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Neat find - congrats! (And FWIW S/n 922752 is still on active duty with DoD).
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Old 12-01-2019, 09:31 PM
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Thanks shooter5! Luck was all it was for sure... Been out of the loop for a while, but what does that mean, that an old remington is still in use with DOD?
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Ohmygosh! That thing is in incredible condition and for $700!!!
May I recommend that you do a detailed disassembly, inspection of parts and wipe that beauty down with a soft cotton rag and Hoppes then dry it well and use something like www.CorrosionX.com on it.

WOW!
Thanks, I most definitely will!
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Old 12-01-2019, 10:27 PM
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Thanks shooter5! Luck was all it was for sure... Been out of the loop for a while, but what does that mean, that an old remington is still in use with DOD?
It means that it's in the US ARMY's current inventory and sitting in an armory ready to be used by a Soldier.
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Old 12-03-2019, 12:11 AM
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It means that it's in the US ARMY's current inventory and sitting in an armory ready to be used by a Soldier.
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It means that it's in the US ARMY's current inventory and sitting in an armory ready to be used by a Soldier.
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Thank you for your replies. Yes, very sketchy but I wasn't aware when I bought it, simply being a newbie collector several years ago. I got it online from G/B and they sent it to my local dealer. He didn't ask any questions, just wrote the serial number down and it checked out. Very strange, indeed... Thanks for all the input on this.
The average gun dealer has no clue how to spot an illegally re-numbered firearm, and they'll receive, transfer and sell lots of them every year. It's just one of many gun laws that often goes unenforced every year. Quite a few guns that are stolen from legitimate owners get renumbered, then wind up being bought and sold over and over, never to be tracked or recovered.
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Old 12-04-2019, 10:29 PM
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The type one may not be considered rare. Try to find one. Five times as rare as a US&S. You scored big time. I have found about 7 now in 30 years of looking. I have found about 200 US&S, common as dirt comparatively IMO. I sold a reparked example too cheap at $2500, a battle damaged at $1800. Wish I could keep them all.
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