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Old 11-12-2019, 03:17 AM
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!0 mm revolver loading

I'm loading 10 mm for a newly acquired S&W 610( everybody needs a revolver in collection) what I'm finding is when just under max. charge,
6.3 gr. BE 86( love this powder) 165 gr. Berry's plated, the bullet is un seating, load 6 rounds, fire 5,remove the moon clip, the unfired round is moved out about 1/16".Tightening the crimp doesn't help.
There doesn't seem to be any interference issues. I'm just not comfortable with this any recommendations??
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Old 11-12-2019, 07:10 AM
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You should use a projectile with a cannelure and ROLL crimp. However, I have successfully applied a pretty good roll to a plated bullet without one and not breaking through the copper plate. Decent results too. You have too much thump going on there if you are just using a standard taper crimp.

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Old 11-12-2019, 09:00 PM
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You should use a projectile with a cannelure and ROLL crimp. However, I have successfully applied a pretty good roll to a plated bullet without one and not breaking through, the copper plate. Decent results too. You have too much thump going on there if you are just using a standard taper crimp.
This...or get some proper cast lead bullets with a crimp grove in them or a jacketed bullet with a cannelure.

Or if you want a magnum revolver get a .41 or .44!

It seems like you understand what is happening but this article may help (wrong caliber but the physics are the same).


https://www.shootingillustrated.com/...-other-issues/
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Old 11-12-2019, 09:41 PM
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I shoot 10mm in both revolvers and auto loaders. Both need the bullets tightly held in the cases. Use a combination of sizer and expander for tight tension. I've also had good results with sonic case cleaning to leave a squeaky clean surface that really helps case tension also. Crimping beyond a slight taper really doesn't help much at all on bullets with no crimping groove.
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Old 11-13-2019, 07:42 AM
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A roll crimp certainly does. It can be applied ever so slightly to non cannelured projectiles as well. Some do not recommend it, but it can be done. That crimp is definitive.
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Old 11-13-2019, 07:44 AM
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Agree that everyone could enjoy having a wheelgun or two in their collection......357, .45Colt, .44mag etc.....not in semi-auto cartridges, though.


One of reasons that I have no desire to buy revolvers in semi-auto cartridges is that personally won't like having to buy different bullets to use in each.....and have to tweak the dies between each.

I also don't care for moon clips.

Then there is the mixed brass...that which has been shot from a revolver....headspaced off the "rim"....and that which is fired from the semis....headspaced off the mouth. Stands to reason that the brass is going to be worked differently.



I'd simply rather keep the two separate.


Just the ramblings of an old grumpy guy here......who had to cancel range plans today due to a tweaked back. Peaved and sulking.
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Old 11-13-2019, 07:53 AM
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Ahhh, now ya ruint the fun I was having shooting 357 out of a Desert Eagle!
Screw it, that thing is hard on brass anyway. You have to load it so hot, the brass doesn’t last too long anyway!
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Old 11-13-2019, 08:21 AM
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Hey Dub

I am starting to understand your POV but I still love fast reloads with moon clips, If you seriously hate them a single action is the choice
Just trying to pull you into the 10mm cult
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Old 11-13-2019, 08:47 AM
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I did not look at your specific load, but Your's may be a little warm. You need to insure that you are within the standard published load data for 10mm. Smiths will not hold up to a constant diet of barn burning loads.
When you look at the load tables, you see a set of data for Ruger, Freedom Arms, and T/C, then data for all others. There is a reason for that.
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Old 11-13-2019, 09:19 AM
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Ahhh, now ya ruint the fun I was having shooting 357 out of a Desert Eagle!
Screw it, that thing is hard on brass anyway. You have to load it so hot, the brass doesn’t last too long anyway!

I’ve always wanted to shoot a DE. Wondered how well they ran.


It may be a good thing I haven’t as I don’t need to find another type of gun to like right now.



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Hey Dub

I am starting to understand your POV but I still love fast reloads with moon clips, If you seriously hate them a single action is the choice
Just trying to pull you into the 10mm cult


Oh.....don’t worry. I’m already finding myself squarely back in the 10mm cult. Recently bought a full rail RIA 1911 10mm to enjoy. Dies, components and everything is here.....just waiting on me to set up.


Also drooling over another new 10mm 1911 I’d like to add. And two more after that one......


I fear the attraction is going to be strong.....and expensive
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Old 11-21-2019, 07:46 PM
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loading 10mm for revolver

I want to thank everyone for the feedback.
taking from the top
1) as far as finding .400"/10mm bullets is easy, finding them with a canicular, not so much.I found Hornady FTX 165 gr. H.P. ( pretty sure there a plated and not fmj) unfortunately I loaded my stock of about 500 into
.40 (not so) Short & Wimpy.which i can shoot w/moon clips. Kinda like
.38 special from .357 mag., with more due respect. making a very pleasant shooting, from an N frame with a 6 1/2". By my calculations just under max charge puts them in at a swag of 1050-1100. group well from my Springfield
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2)as far roll crimping I hadn't thought bout that,up till now I've only been tapper crimping. thanks I'll look into it.
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Old 12-02-2019, 04:43 PM
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Ahhh, now ya ruint the fun I was having shooting 357 out of a Desert Eagle!
Screw it, that thing is hard on brass anyway. You have to load it so hot, the brass doesn’t last too long anyway!


And all of this time I've been wishing that someone would re-do the .30 Carbine (which is a wonderful little rifle) in .357 Mag-see, that would be a perfect mate for your DE...

Or one of my revolvers!
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Old 12-03-2019, 07:22 AM
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Yeah, I went off the deep end a while ago and fell back into a 357 phase. A wheeler, DE and Henry are all close at hand. Problem is that the ammo required to function the DE is too hot for the 19 and the Henry’s sweet spot is in between the two. I have to load three completely different sets of ammo. Try that with off the shelf!
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Old 12-05-2019, 07:54 AM
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I have a Ruger GP100 MC and have had no problems...

What make of crimp die are you using? Have been using a Lee Carbide Factory Crimp Die and it works great...

And you don't need a crimping groove with the FCD...it will bite right into the Berry's bullets... I use one for my .41 Magnum also and the Berry's 210 has no crimp groove...

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Old 12-06-2019, 07:15 AM
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That was the point earlier. You need more than a “just remove the belling” taper crimp. A good bite on a Berry, Rainer or XTreme is required. I would still use a standard roll crimper, but if a FCD works, go for it.
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I have a Ruger GP100 MC and have had no problems...

What make of crimp die are you using? Have been using a Lee Carbide Factory Crimp Die and it works great...

And you don't need a crimping groove with the FCD...it will bite right into the Berry's bullets... I use one for my .41 Magnum also and the Berry's 210 has no crimp groove...

thanks for the input,I've been using dillon dies on my dillon 550 press, so I picked up a Lee's FCD, and seems to have taken care of the problem with both 165 gr. and 180gr. plated from Extreme and and Berry's.I was a little concerned w/possible jacket separation but no copper fouling so far, and there's no way to recover the bullit to check the final product.
thanks for the help and I'll keep you posted
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Old 12-07-2019, 09:37 AM
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You’re fine. There are a bunch of stories from the early days of plated bullets about how fragile the plate was. Today’s processes are much better. Your results may vary, but I have put a pretty good roll crimp on them with good result. I was telling one of our forum members that he was basically full of it when he made the suggestion. He posted pictures and I gave it a try. Never looked back.
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