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Old 02-05-2020, 03:04 PM
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Federal 10mm 180gr Trophy Bonded JSP in Clear Ballistics Gel.



Test Gun: Delta Elite
Barrel length: 5 inches.
Ammunition: Federal 10mm 180gr Trophy Bonded JSP.
Test media: 10% Clear Ballistics Gel.
Distance: 10 feet.
Chronograph: Caldwell Ballistic Precision Chronograph G2.
Five shot velocity average: 1216fps
Gel Temperature 70 degrees.

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Old 02-05-2020, 03:42 PM
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Maybe I am an idealist, but I detest seeing rounds that did not expand. Thank you for the time and effort.
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Old 02-06-2020, 06:54 AM
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Yer missing the point though. This was designed for hunting dangerous animals.
At 1300 FPS and penetration around 36 inches, thatís a bulldozer coming out of a pistol. One hit on a bone with a flat nose like that and itíll look like a claymore went off!
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Old 02-06-2020, 07:43 AM
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I recall other tests where a more realistic medium resulted in some mushroom shape.
Federal generally puts out a good product.
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Old 02-06-2020, 08:49 PM
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Yer missing the point though. This was designed for hunting dangerous animals.
At 1300 FPS and penetration around 36 inches, thatís a bulldozer coming out of a pistol. One hit on a bone with a flat nose like that and itíll look like a claymore went off!
That's fair.
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Old 02-06-2020, 09:52 PM
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Yer missing the point though. This was designed for hunting dangerous animals.
At 1300 FPS and penetration around 36 inches, thatís a bulldozer coming out of a pistol. One hit on a bone with a flat nose like that and itíll look like a claymore went off!


Just envisioning a scenario where you'd take a "Texas heart shot" on a big buck.....with a semi-auto handgun.

This round would put 'em down.



On more "normal" shots on deer you'd likely get an exit wound every time and not as much damaged meat.
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Old 02-07-2020, 06:37 AM
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I do not own a 10MM.
I might own one!
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Old 02-07-2020, 08:25 AM
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Yer missing the point though. This was designed for hunting dangerous animals.
At 1300 FPS and penetration around 36 inches, thatís a bulldozer coming out of a pistol. One hit on a bone with a flat nose like that and itíll look like a claymore went off!
I've seen tests where that bullet does expand.
If you want penetration get a hard cast 200+ gr SWC.
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Old 02-07-2020, 08:41 AM
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I've seen tests where that bullet does expand.
If you want penetration get a hard cast 200+ gr SWC.
^^^^^^ This!

For many years many of my friends and I in deer camp hunted with cast SWC gas check Kieth bullets (Lyman 429244) and never lost a deer. The bullets were never recovered as they went all the way through, but - whatever small distance a few of the deer traveled after being shot, there was a blood trail that Stevie Wonder would be able to follow. There is a lot to be said for a large hole with full penetration.
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Old 02-07-2020, 11:03 AM
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DubfromGa Do you hunt ? Is so carry a pistol if 40 or 45 for that just in case a chance to use it instead of a long gun . You never know whebn a deer will show up close by or under your stand even . Over the years I taken two deer from about 20 feet up when deer walked up under my stand and took them for camp meat when every one was in camp with a 40sw and underwood 155gr gold dot at1300fps + from a 4" class pistol . Both passed thru 17" of deer . One glanced off the spine hit a lung some small frags of lead and bone carried down to the heart deer dead where it stood or dropped . The other deer was a rib hit going in , bullet passed thru the edge of lung and edge of heart and that deer ran 60 feet before stopping , looked around slightly and fell over . I did not look for ether bullet as they were not quickly visible but wound channel was nice for a handgun .

Not pleased with the performance of SWC on thin skinned game as I hate trailing wounded game . Give me a quick kill but even then it has to be an ideal bullet placement. Now I did use a 180gr 21bn swc on hogs and took shoulder or neck shots not taking a lung shot with a swc .

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Old 02-08-2020, 08:50 AM
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Another testament to the virtues of a flat nosed projectile encountering bone. Some folks canít get past the fact that gel tests donít have bones.
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Old 02-08-2020, 12:35 PM
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None of the people hunting Cape buffalo are using hollow points

They are all using hard cast or Woodleigh solid copper bullets.
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Old 02-08-2020, 03:37 PM
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Thanks for posting this. It looks like good ammo to carry in bear country.
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Old 02-09-2020, 12:47 PM
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Having switched from my beloved S&W 29s to a 10mm Guncrafter for use in bear country we find your efforts valuable. The 29s just got to be too much but the 10mm Govt. sized pistol is still pretty manageable. Thanks for the info.
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Old 03-03-2020, 03:54 PM
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Another testament to the virtues of a flat nosed projectile encountering bone. Some folks canít get past the fact that gel tests donít have bones.
Nothing stopping them from adding some bones when they cast the block of gel.
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Old 03-04-2020, 06:35 AM
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Not very realistic when you have to try and connect them.
Thatís why some will shoot at a hanging pig. 🐷
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Old 03-07-2020, 11:59 AM
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Looks like a good 10MM round for woods carry.

I'd be interested in how it performs against some of Underwood's 180gr, 200gr or their 140gr Extreme Penetrate round.

I always take a 10MM with me when I go hiking. Would like to know what's an effective round to stop bear or cougar if needed.
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Old 03-07-2020, 12:10 PM
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Looks like a good 10MM round for woods carry.

I'd be interested in how it performs against some of Underwood's 180gr, 200gr or their 140gr Extreme Penetrate round.

I always take a 10MM with me when I go hiking. Would like to know what's an effective round to stop bear or cougar if needed.
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Maybe I am an idealist, but I detest seeing rounds that did not expand. Thank you for the time and effort.
I'd like to know who made a law that a bullet 'has to' expand in order to be good. I swear I wish nobody had ever heard of hollow points and got the idea that massive expansion was the only way to be effective.

I guess all the Indians and bad guys and game animals that fell to old fashioned RNFP and jacketed soft point bullets over the last 150 years shouldn't have been fooled by the fact they weren't hollow points.
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Old 03-08-2020, 09:19 AM
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They can all get up now!
If it doesnít say ďBlack TalonĒ it canít possibly be effective.
I donít get it either, the flat point smashes its way through sending bits of bone everywhere. This 180gr is a formidable loading. The FBI should have stuck with it, but the girlie hands couldnít handle it.
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Old 03-21-2020, 11:48 PM
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Thanks OP. Keep them coming -- especially in .357 magnum heavy weights!
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