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Old 09-06-2016, 07:24 AM
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Old 09-06-2016, 08:57 AM
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Before this could happen there will be hearings, court rulings, and you will need military officers whom pledged to defend and uphold the Constitution. This would have to be a repeal of the Second Ammendment. The numbers are not there, we are running scared of the Liberal Minority who have a strangle hold on the media making it look like the majority of the populous supports this measure. The best thing we can do is the power of the ballot. Vote out the dead wood and liberals in Washington. Register to vote if you are not as of yet.
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Old 09-06-2016, 09:17 AM
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Before this could happen there will be hearings, court rulings, and you will need military officers whom pledged to defend and uphold the Constitution. This would have to be a repeal of the Second Ammendment. The numbers are not there, we are running scared of the Liberal Minority who have a strangle hold on the media making it look like the majority of the populous supports this measure. The best thing we can do is the power of the ballot. Vote out the dead wood and liberals in Washington. Register to vote if you are not as of yet.
You hit the nail on the head. They are only in DC because we allow them to be. It's time to serve their eviction notice. Vote, encourage others to vote and don't pay attention to the lies spread by the media. We can win this.
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Old 09-06-2016, 09:36 AM
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> vote

There are only a few dozen votes that count. Those are the votes of the leaders of the two parties - NGOs outside of Federal control.

That's why, with 330-odd million people in this country, we're stuck with choosing between Dumb and Dumber. Because all the important voting was done months ago, and we had no voice in it.

"No matter who you voted for, the Government got back in."
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Old 09-06-2016, 09:37 AM
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Two things overlooked by the author of the linked article:

1. In addition to the Bill of Rights our Constitution also contains a "just compensation" clause. When the government takes personal property it must pay fair market value. While the chief bureaucrat may think fair market value for one of my firearms is $500 I will have little difficulty producing several written offers to purchase that piece for 10 times that amount. That provides the basis for a trial in federal court and an injunction prohibiting seizure of the property until the matter is adjudicated. Such cases routinely take several years in the court system, during which I will continue gathering more purchase offers at higher and higher prices. NOW PICTURE MILLIONS OF SUCH CASES RESULTING IN PARALYZING THE FEDERAL COURT SYSTEM.

2. Over 100,000,000 Americans own more than 300,000,000 firearms. Each 1% of those Americans that refuse to comply represents over 1,000,000 cases funneled into a justice system already incapable of conducting trials for the existing case load. Active peaceful civil disobedience (force them to arrest us, refuse to post bail or give a promise to appear, plead not guilty, demand a jury trial, file every conceivable pre-trial motion, refuse to pay any fine or accept any terms of probation or parole) will completely overwhelm the capacities of every law enforcement agency, every jail, every court, and every prison in the country.

All of the talk of resistance and Civil War version 2.0 is not helpful. The real solution that will work is using the system against those who would deny us our constitutionally-guaranteed liberties.
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Old 09-06-2016, 10:07 AM
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Before this could happen there will be hearings, court rulings, and you will need military officers whom pledged to defend and uphold the Constitution. This would have to be a repeal of the Second Ammendment. The numbers are not there, we are running scared of the Liberal Minority who have a strangle hold on the media making it look like the majority of the populous supports this measure. The best thing we can do is the power of the ballot. Vote out the dead wood and liberals in Washington. Register to vote if you are not as of yet.
THIS^^ Exactly, We the People have the power of the VOTE, and RECALL
to remove all the scumbags from office!!! Do it people!
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Old 09-06-2016, 10:10 AM
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New numbers just released by an independant poll 47% of households are armed legally, since the Obama poll was 28% by biased group of polsters.
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Old 09-06-2016, 10:15 AM
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Good thoughts; but when the liberals gain control of the Supreme Court then it is Katy bar the door. They will tell you what the second amendment says and don't be surprised if it is not what you read; and they will uphold any government action against you, if it jives with their beliefs.
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Old 09-06-2016, 10:29 AM
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It might help if we knew who the author was as he is writing under the name of BILLJ. I assume it's a man but we don't even know that for sure.

That could have been written by some leftist trying to incite the tin foil hat gov't conspiracy theory crowd.
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Old 09-06-2016, 11:58 AM
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Food for thought. Stir up the piss ants.
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Old 09-06-2016, 02:32 PM
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While the chief bureaucrat may think fair market value for one of my firearms is $500 I will have little difficulty producing several written offers to purchase that piece for 10 times that amount. .
Unfortunately, the price you paid is not always the amount they are worth. If there is no legal market for particular firearms, the bureaucrats will claim that they are worth nothing since you can't sell them.


Those bureaucrats can be quite slimy.
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Old 09-06-2016, 03:26 PM
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Before this could happen there will be hearings, court rulings, and you will need military officers whom pledged to defend and uphold the Constitution. This would have to be a repeal of the Second Ammendment. The numbers are not there, we are running scared of the Liberal Minority who have a strangle hold on the media making it look like the majority of the populous supports this measure. The best thing we can do is the power of the ballot. Vote out the dead wood and liberals in Washington. Register to vote if you are not as of yet.
Negative!

No such repeal would be necessary. One only has to look to California for an example of how this would be achieved. A year or so ago, LA banned standard capacity 30 round magazine with the stroke of a pen. Turn them all in. Nobody did, thankfully. But this was achieved without touching 2A. Now the entire state has banned them...along with already neutered AR's. All with the stroke of a pen and not touching 2A. They don't need to repeal 2A when they ignore it from the start and implement unconstitutional laws. There is now much talk going on about going after all semi autos next.

As for voting out the dead wood, that's a nice idea and obvious solution. It works right up to the point that there are more liberals in an area than there are conservatives. Liberals seem to miss the point that the United States is a Constitutional Republic and not a democracy. They are no longer even trying to be subtle about it when they openly profess in session that the California legislature ignores the COTUS.

Think that this can't happen in your area? It already has. How do you think Obama got elected? More liberals than conservatives. And they don't give one rip about COTUS. And they will stop at nothing to implement their socialist utopia. Nothing much left to do but stock ammo and wait for the reset.

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Old 09-06-2016, 04:23 PM
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Reset soon !!!!
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Old 09-07-2016, 07:21 AM
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Very informative and the links replies definitely are thought provoking. Whom ever wins in November America will change from it. Trump will delay the Democrats agenda, Hillary will make it faster. As for me I will keep preparing for the inevitable.
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Old 09-07-2016, 07:31 AM
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this BS will end with legislation only...like in Ct---they banned magazines that are high cap and Ar 15s--and almost NO ONE complied or registered them

F these morons and their BS "gun control" what are they going to do--arrest and try all legal gun owners? fat chance

confiscate? doubt it--cops and the military are smarter than that
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Old 09-07-2016, 07:47 AM
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Start taking peoples Money and Children and they Will have a shooting war. Author lives in a old mason jar. That he emptied down his gullet.

Freezing millions of Americans bank accounts and watch the Dow Crash and with it the Amercan Economy.

Start taking children and they will effectively hand us the total and complete Woman Vote for ever. Want to piss off a Mother.....Mess with her Brood. She may be total and complete Anti Gun supporter, up to the second you threaten her Baby Bears.

Nothing he wrote will hold water. We are not turning in our Arms. Not now, not ever. Thye just don't comprehend the depth of our Conviction. It is not a Hobby, it is who and what we are.
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Old 09-07-2016, 08:03 AM
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Start taking peoples Money and Children and they Will have a shooting war. Author lives in a old mason jar. That he emptied down his gullet.

Freezing millions of Americans bank accounts and watch the Dow Crash and with it the Amercan Economy.

Start taking children and they will effectively hand us the total and complete Woman Vote for ever. Want to piss off a Mother.....Mess with her Brood. She may be total and complete Anti Gun supporter, up to the second you threaten her Baby Bears.

Nothing he wrote will hold water. We are not turning in our Arms. Not now, not ever. Thye just don't comprehend the depth of our Conviction. It is not a Hobby, it is who and what we are.
You think that a woman wouldn't dump her husband's guns the second he turned his back if her kids were going to be taken? She would give you the choice of her and the kids or guns. I couldn't choose my kids over guns, maybe when they become teenagers in 10 years or so , but not now. Different story on the wife.

There are plenty of gun owners that barely care about their guns. Probably couldn't shoot them or load them or imagine having 250 rounds on hand. By the time it got to the hardliners, there would be no effect on the markets.

I think the author makes a lot of valid points, the other side is patient and full of lawyers.
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Old 09-07-2016, 08:54 AM
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Participation rates for registration schemes has been estimated at 3-5% nationally. The turn in rate would likely be similar.

It should be a non starter.

They gave up on handgun bans and should have given up on "assault weapons" in the 90's when every politician involved got exposed and suffered a quick political death.

These people need to be reminded who they work for again.

Attacking common rifles and accessories has no basis in logic, and technically those items most suitable for self defense should be the most protected under the 2nd. The fact that they are the most demonized is a clear sign of tyrannical over reach.
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Old 09-10-2016, 05:22 AM
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They won't go for a ban, or even a 'hand them over' scheme. Right away at least. Instead they'll push a lot of laws, fees, regulations, and taxes that will make firearms ownership outrageously expensive. You can still own them, but ammo would cost $10/round. Maybe even tax firearms you own (though no idea how they'd do that). Start shutting down FFL's for even the most trivial of paperwork errors. Force all ammo sales to go through the now limited number of FFL's. Heck, even some gun store owners have come out in favor of that. Make people who buy ammo buy a HazMat storage permit (for a stupid expensive fee). Have to show the permit before you can purchase any ammo. Mandate that all shooting ranges perform air and ground lead sampling on a daily basis. Tons of things that they can do. It would be death by a thousand cuts.

They can make it where only the wealthy elites can afford to own a firearm. And they'd be fine with that.
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Old 09-10-2016, 08:47 AM
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Before this could happen there will be hearings, court rulings, and you will need military officers whom pledged to defend and uphold the Constitution. This would have to be a repeal of the Second Ammendment. The numbers are not there, we are running scared of the Liberal Minority who have a strangle hold on the media making it look like the majority of the populous supports this measure. The best thing we can do is the power of the ballot. Vote out the dead wood and liberals in Washington. Register to vote if you are not as of yet.
Less running scared and more totally terrified.
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