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Old 04-16-2020, 12:27 PM
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Anyone else noticing the growing divide between Governors and the POTUS

I think POTUS kinda spoke off the cuff the other day when he said he is the one who will decide when and where to reopen as well as what to do. Not sure on the legal beagle aspects of who’s actually in charge.
But what I did notice was several governors including a couple republicans saying POTUS doesn’t make that decision they do.

So just curious what happens when POTUS says ‘we are open for business!’ and some governors say ‘not so fast!’?
Anyone think democratic governors like the ones for NY and MI will go along with him when he does make the decision or for their own spoiled reasons say they aren’t ready yet?
It may never happen and I’m just thinking out loud here. But as much as they dislike him they may want to prolong this as long as possible for obvious reasons.
Heck they are even floating the idea that the presidential debates should be via video and not live due to fears of virus when we all know it’s because Biden can’t get two sentences together and if he gets on stage with Trump he’ll get eaten alive.
You could have a conflict between the POTUS and the governors where he ‘opened shop’ weeks ago and some states are still locked down. Who’s gonna side with who? Who’s gonna obey who? The re-opening of America could get real interesting.
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Old 04-16-2020, 12:47 PM
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That divide has been growing over time. But Trump really stepped in it big time when he claimed to have "Total Authority" over the states and their governor's. That was a truly ignorant thing for anyone to say, much less the pOTUS.

And then he backpedaled, claiming that he "authorized" the governor's of each state to open when they saw fit. Sorry buddy.....you can't authorize what you don't have the authority to authorize.

Damn that pesky little 10th Amendment.
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Old 04-16-2020, 12:55 PM
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That divide has been growing over time. But Trump really stepped in it big time when he claimed to have "Total Authority" over the states and their governor's. That was a truly ignorant thing for anyone to say, much less the pOTUS.

And then he backpedaled, claiming that he "authorized" the governor's of each state to open when they saw fit. Sorry buddy.....you can't authorize what you don't have the authority to authorize.

Damn that pesky little 10th Amendment.
I took it that way too.
Never the less he’s talking publicly about possible opening on certain dates and some governors are already saying no to that.
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Old 04-16-2020, 01:20 PM
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Lets be real. The lib governors are playing nice with potus to secure all the federal money they can get their hands on. But lets not kid ourselves, at whatever their right time is, they and the media will resume their criticism and hate for Trump (not that it ever stopped).
Trump was not wise to state it was His call alone.
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Old 04-16-2020, 01:32 PM
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Federalists vs. Anti-federalists started before the ink was dry on the constitution.

Intrastate state commerce should be a states rights issue. Interstate/international commerce falls under the Federal Government.

The honeymoon is over, people are getting their payouts, the next two week is going to be very interesting! The first 10 amendments are the results of the first American Revolution. The Second Revolution is about to start for the same reasons!

But what should I know? Never stayed in a fancy hotel!

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Old 04-16-2020, 02:30 PM
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Lets be real. The lib governors are playing nice with potus to secure all the federal money they can get their hands on. But lets not kid ourselves, at whatever their right time is, they and the media will resume their criticism and hate for Trump (not that it ever stopped).
Trump was not wise to state it was His call alone.
Which in my view, shouldn't have to happen. States should receive Federal Monies based on needs alone. That pOTUS does or doesn't like certain governor's shouldn't mean squat. Anyone is free to criticize pOTUS or any other elected official. Is pOTUS so thin skinned that he takes criticism to heart and his revenge is skipping over the states governed by libs and doleing out favors to states governed by Repubs?? Gee....how childish can the leader of the Free World get?. Does he not realize there are supporters of his in all states?

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Old 04-16-2020, 03:06 PM
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That divide has been growing over time. But Trump really stepped in it big time when he claimed to have "Total Authority" over the states and their governor's. That was a truly ignorant thing for anyone to say, much less the pOTUS.

And then he backpedaled, claiming that he "authorized" the governor's of each state to open when they saw fit. Sorry buddy.....you can't authorize what you don't have the authority to authorize.

Damn that pesky little 10th Amendment.
But those governors will still take that federal money though. Kind of like people who hate Trump will still take that stimulus check. Then you have guys like Newsome who are giving stimulus money to illegals. Betcha thats not coming from CA state coffers.
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Old 04-16-2020, 03:41 PM
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The issue is a whole-lot of nothing (this time around)...POTUS and the Gov's will either work together, or at the very least, give the impression of working together. They all know as politicians they don't want to stray too far from what the CDC advises. Straying too far from the CDC advise will pose too much political risk if something goes wrong. And the CDC is under the executive branch.

Of course the media will blow everyone words out of proportion and try to bait both sides whenever they can. Last week they baited Cuomo, but later Cuoma backed off on his heavy push-back.

If thing go well all participants can take a bow, pres and gov's, there will be plenty of acolaids (spelling ;-)???) to go around. Trump has already softened his tone also, and he is smart to do so in case things do not go well. Why take all the blame if things do not go well. As matter of fact, Trump may have been baiting the Gov's when he initially came out strong on this. Baiting them (Gov's) to go on record as being the responsible party. (This would not be the first time he used this tactic). This is the difference of playing "Chess vs Checker's".

And guess what, the only "important" person who can't take any credit if things go well is Sleepy-Joe. -Get the picture!

Important to watch POTUS press-conference this afternoon, he is rolling out the plan (he spent a lot of time with CCalls with all the Governors over last few days).
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Old 04-16-2020, 06:30 PM
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Trump does have a loose tongue. Speaks imprecisely....and please reduce the twitters.

That being said. Garbage politicians/governors....90% are reeking piles of crap. Cuomo DEMANDING 40,000 ventilators...right.

Same people who for decades never prepared for this day. Same people who let production of all essential goods/essential components to be moved offshore/controlled by foreign countries. Feds had to sign off on many of the sales of essential industries/companies to overseas owners....have you heard of the asshats saying NO...even once? Smithfield Foods...40% of US pig production/processing /distribuition....Dummy Obama OK's the sale to the Chinese. They weren't after the pig meat they were after the Heparin (blood thinner) extracted from the pigs intestine. Flash...the Chinese control 90% the drugs/pharmaceuticals we rely on every day...as well as the consumables such as PPEs and subject of Cuomo's theatrics...ventilators.

But Trump is supposed to wave a magic wand and this stuff will magically appear....maybe the same magic wand we heard Obama talk about when he said production will never move back to the US or how we can never drill our way out of high fuel prices....and all the other minstrel show BS that spilled out of his vacant head.

I prefer Trump's imprecise language to Obama's well crafted fabrications. Trump can get things done. Obama and the rest of the politician/media traitors just want us to stay asleep....better a distracted victim than self reliant, successful and strong.....and what the hell...the Dems/politicians/media can give us lip service about how concerned they are about the body count.

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Old 04-16-2020, 07:25 PM
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The President doesn't have "Total Authority", but neither do the Governors. Most of them are acting as if their state legislatures, senates, and assemblies don't exist, and are operating with executive fiat.

Hopefully after the dust settles there will be a serious discussion in this country about returning to sanity, but I am not holding my breath.
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Old 04-16-2020, 09:06 PM
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no matter the situation it's just politics as usual
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Old 04-16-2020, 11:33 PM
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This is just a hunch, but I have to wonder if President Trump didn't make that statement with the following in mind.

If the re-opening for business and spooling up the economy goes well, President Trump canl say "See! I was right to tell the Governors to open up their economies again."

And if it goes wrong, President Trump can say "Well, the Power was the Governors, it's not MY responsibility it went wrong."

It pays to remember that with President Trump:

He's a salesman, and has been a salesman for decades.

He knows how to play Politicians, Burrocrats and Union Reps in order to get what he wants. He knows how corrupt and in many cases inept they are.

And... He's a New Yorker.


I have a Range Buddy that I've been close friends with for a couple of decades now.

He was born and raised in Queens NY.

He is a transplanted, New York, Italian (1st Generation American) Redneck Kansan.

I keep expecting to hear my buddy's frequent refrains come rolling out of Trumps Mouth and quite frankly, have been extremely impressed that we haven't heard "F*** You, Talk To My Attorney!" or some variation thereof.

Another phrase I've fully expected to hear when Trump is frustrated with the dumb masses that are the media, and a great number of the Politicians is "The dopey ignorant moronic mother-******* are so stupid they wouldn't know how to pour p*** out of a boot if the directions were written on the heel."

That we haven't is, quite frankly in my opinion, testimony to President Trump actually knowing when to hold em, fold em, bluff em and call em.


"Them The Government" have been underestimating him ever since he started his Presidential bid, and typically he's been two steps ahead of both the Burrocrats and the Lame Stream Media.

Which is largely why the Ctrl-Left has been having a hissy fit with a crocheted tail and pink eyebrows ever since their flawed candidate lost the election their party rigged in her favor, and lost it to Donald Trump.

At a guess, I'd bet that he's re-elected and will serve until January 2025.

When the Votes are tallied November 3, if/when he's re-elected, I'm cracking the cork on a fresh bottle of Glenlivet 18 Year Old Scotch in Celebration.
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Old 04-16-2020, 11:39 PM
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Oh, and just wanted to add, concerning "Re-opening" the economy?

One Thing That Public Sector Politicians and Bureaucrats Really Need To Keep In Mind.........

If we don't have Private Sector Businesses and Employers doing business, then you receive
NO TAXES to fund the Public Sector.

The only Net Source for Tax Revenue is from the Private Sector.

The Public Sector DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to add to Net Tax Revenue.

So if we continue to keep all of the Private Sector Producers, Businesses, Employers, and TaxPAYERS locked down, sooner or later you're going to run out of money to spend and your own jobs and pensions will disappear.
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Old 04-17-2020, 05:51 AM
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Which in my view, shouldn't have to happen. States should receive Federal Monies based on needs alone. That pOTUS does or doesn't like certain governor's shouldn't mean squat. Anyone is free to criticize pOTUS or any other elected official. Is pOTUS so thin skinned that he takes criticism to heart and his revenge is skipping over the states governed by libs and doleing out favors to states governed by Repubs?? Gee....how childish can the leader of the Free World get?. Does he not realize there are supporters of his in all states?
Never saw where the president skipped over states or denied anything.
When you have screwups like the Michigan and Washington state governors the federal government comes to their rescue.
Even CA Newsom said Trump did everything and more.
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Old 04-17-2020, 06:15 AM
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I think Trump pulled the classic “Tom Sawyer” move on all of them ...
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Old 04-17-2020, 06:29 AM
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Word of Advice

Watch the POTUS press-conference daily - which includes a variety of subject matter experts daily...This is the closest you can come to getting pure truth and reality...

Any other source is a derivative (driven by political, organizational, and personal biases) of what is going on concerning the war on CV9, meaning you get further and further away from truth and reality. Fox a little away, and MSNBC and CNN very far away from reality.
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Old 04-17-2020, 08:16 AM
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Oh, and just wanted to add, concerning "Re-opening" the economy?

One Thing That Public Sector Politicians and Bureaucrats Really Need To Keep In Mind.........

If we don't have Private Sector Businesses and Employers doing business, then you receive
NO TAXES to fund the Public Sector.

The only Net Source for Tax Revenue is from the Private Sector.

The Public Sector DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to add to Net Tax Revenue.

So if we continue to keep all of the Private Sector Producers, Businesses, Employers, and TaxPAYERS locked down, sooner or later you're going to run out of money to spend and your own jobs and pensions will disappear.
True. But even WITH the private sector, our government ran out of money decades ago. They just "solve" the problem by printing more.
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Old 04-17-2020, 09:10 AM
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That's true.
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Old 04-17-2020, 09:12 AM
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That divide has been growing over time. But Trump really stepped in it big time when he claimed to have "Total Authority" over the states and their governor's. That was a truly ignorant thing for anyone to say, much less the pOTUS.

And then he backpedaled, claiming that he "authorized" the governor's of each state to open when they saw fit. Sorry buddy.....you can't authorize what you don't have the authority to authorize.

Damn that pesky little 10th Amendment.
For some strange reason, Trump thinks that whatever he says, is.
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Old 04-17-2020, 10:13 AM
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Watch the POTUS press-conference daily - which includes a variety of subject matter experts daily...This is the closest you can come to getting pure truth and reality...
That's only true if you are able to parse trump's reality.
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Old 04-17-2020, 11:48 AM
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That's only true if you are able to parse trump's reality.
The reporters in the briefing are so dam stupid he has to repeat almost everything he says at least a half a dozen times. At least 50% of the reporters ask the same questions one of their peer's asked, sometimes just a few min's later...A smart guy like you though shouldn't have a problem with what he says, especially after he repeats it several times.
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Old 04-17-2020, 03:39 PM
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Trump may not have “total” authority but he does have A LOT of authority. The idiots like Cuomo and mayors like DeBlasio want all the glory and the recognition but they want none of the responsibility. They want to put that on Trump. How many of these democrat governors squandered state funds on bullsh*t instead of preparing for disasters? DeBlasio was on TV claiming how great NYC is. The best police department, the best fire department, blah blah blah. New York residents are taxed at some of the the highest rates in the country yet the state is broke. Why is that? The blame needs to be put on these democrat governors for screwing their own people. Look at Newsom. He’s wants to give $150B in stimulus money to ILLEGALS. What the hell!?! You watch, CA will be the next state to say they’re broke and need federal taxpayer money to get by. I say to hell with every one of them.
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Old 04-17-2020, 09:44 PM
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I had to laugh when Cuomo said today that "you can't pass the buck without passing the bucks."

Wasn't it just the other day that he said, quite indignantly, that he was in charge? Now he wants us to think that he has had this dumped on him by the feds, and thus they need to pay for it. Typical of politicians. They talk a good game until it is time to take the field.
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Old 04-17-2020, 09:59 PM
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I am amazed that the Democratic governors were screaming and yelling about President Trump exceeding his authority. Then when Trump decides to let them open up their states as they see fit, then the governors start screaming and yelling that he isn't doing anything. They really wanted to blame him for everything no matter what and now he sprung his trap and they are stuck making the big decisions thmeselves.
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Old 04-18-2020, 04:26 AM
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^exactly!

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