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View Poll Results: Best modern pump shotgun:
Remington 870 60 54.55%
Mossberg 500/590 39 35.45%
Winchester 1200/1300 11 10.00%
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Old 04-07-2020, 12:45 AM
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A really good option for a pump gun, if you can put your hands on one.
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Old 04-07-2020, 01:46 AM
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So, Ithaca 37, sounds like. [IMG class=inlineimg]https://forums.1911forum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
I wish......I still look for a good one I can turn into a clone at every store I visit
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Old 04-07-2020, 05:56 AM
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870. My benellis and Ithaca’s are SA.
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Old 04-07-2020, 08:51 AM
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RE: Ithaca M37. I had forgotten that the M37 was still in production, in fact we have one on our shelf. I've got 2 in my safes at home but I never pull them out. I find the angle of the grip to be more steep than M12's or 870's or any other shotgun for that matter. And the grip is really fat. Those two things mean it's just not a comfortable gun for me to shoot. But there's no doubt it's a quality gun.

Now if Browning would just put the Model 12 back in production. Miroku did it once.....they could do it again......
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Old 04-07-2020, 09:51 AM
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Another vote- in violation of the rules- for the Ithaca 37. Preferably a mid 70s or early, without a disconector....
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Old 04-07-2020, 12:04 PM
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I have a Winchester model 1897 takedown in the safe.

They are kind of cool with the exposed hammer and all. Another one that you can just hold the trigger back on and pump it. Not sure why you would want to do that but you can. I used to have three of them. But the cowboy action shooter people will pay big bucks for them so I sold two of them off.
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Old 04-07-2020, 12:11 PM
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FNH P-12

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Old 04-07-2020, 01:01 PM
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I have had all three of the ones listed in the poll.

All of them has served me well. I wouldn't feel handicapped with any of them in my hands.
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Old 04-07-2020, 01:04 PM
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They are kind of cool with the exposed hammer and all. Another one that you can just hold the trigger back on and pump it. Not sure why you would want to do that but you can. I used to have three of them. But the cowboy action shooter people will pay big bucks for them so I sold two of them off.
They're neat, but that exposed hammer is only good for biting the flesh off of your hand. The model 12 was a massive step forward.
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Old 04-07-2020, 01:07 PM
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That's just a Winchester 1300 wearing different clothes.
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Old 04-07-2020, 03:01 PM
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They're neat, but that exposed hammer is only good for biting the flesh off of your hand. The model 12 was a massive step forward.
Good Heavens man...... how high up are you placing your hand?????? There's a pistol grip!!!!!

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Old 04-07-2020, 03:02 PM
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870 all the way all steel super reliable many after market parts probably the most popular pump ever made 2nd ithaca 37 3rd mossberg
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Old 04-07-2020, 06:16 PM
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Good Heavens man...... how high up are you placing your hand?????? There's a pistol grip!!!!!

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I generally grip the gun low, ever since I got bit.There were actually some English grip 97s built such as the Black Diamond trap models. They demand a hefty premium, in spite of the uselessness of the straight grip.
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Old 04-07-2020, 06:38 PM
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870 wing master or Browning BPS.
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Old 04-07-2020, 07:06 PM
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Only shotgun I own right now is a Mini 14
The two 1980's-vintage ones I used to own certainly patterned like one.

I would really like to get a Winchester 1897 in Trench Gun configuration someday, just because. Nothing like a 12-gauge shotgun with a 17" long bayonet to get somebody's attention.
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Old 04-07-2020, 07:37 PM
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The two 1980's-vintage ones I used to own certainly patterned like one.

I would really like to get a Winchester 1897 in Trench Gun configuration someday, just because. Nothing like a 12-gauge shotgun with a 17" long bayonet to get somebody's attention.
You can buy a Mossberg 590A1 with wood furniture that accepts M7 and M9 bayonets out of the box. That is as close to a modern trench gun as we'll ever see. I wish someone other than the Chinese would built an 1897 Trench clone though. Miroku probably could.

https://www.mossberg.com/product/590...rograde-51665/
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You can buy a Mossberg 590A1 with wood furniture that accepts M7 and M9 bayonets out of the box. That is as close to a modern trench gun as we'll ever see. I wish someone other than the Chinese would built an 1897 Trench clone though. Miroku probably could.

https://www.mossberg.com/product/590...rograde-51665/
You gotta be kidding me!

I had to build my own but on a 590L because I have to shoot left-handed because eyes.

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Old 04-08-2020, 07:37 AM
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People keep bringing up the subject of steel recievers. In the context of the shotguns in the poll, the locking lugs are steel, and lock into a steel barrel extension.

In the military 3443E military test, the Aluminum framed Mossberg 590 outlasted the steel framed Remington 870 when both guns had 3000 rounds of full power buckshot ran through them at a nonstop rate.

This test proves that in a practical sense, the steel reciever on the Remington 870 is just unnecessary added weight.
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Old 04-08-2020, 08:08 AM
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People keep bringing up the subject of steel recievers. In the context of the shotguns in the poll, the locking lugs are steel, and lock into a steel barrel extension.

In the military 3443E military test, the Aluminum framed Mossberg 590 outlasted the steel framed Remington 870 when both guns had 3000 rounds of full power buckshot ran through them at a nonstop rate.

This test proves that in a practical sense, the steel reciever on the Remington 870 is just unnecessary added weight.
Got a link to the results of this "Test"? I searched and found nothing.

Sounds like Mossberg marketing propaganda, as the only info I could dig up was the claim that Remington didn't even submit a shotgun because they could not compete with the cheaper 590.
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Old 04-08-2020, 08:25 AM
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Got a link to the results of this "Test"? I searched and found nothing.

Sounds like Mossberg marketing propaganda, as the only info I could dig up was the claim that Remington didn't even submit a shotgun because they could not compete with the cheaper 590.
I don't know if there's any evidence of whether or not Remington submitted one, so my claim of "outlasting the Remington" might be wrong. If Remington did, the company will never admit it. Saying the 590A1 is cheaper is kind of an erroneous claim, since it and the 870P sell for nearly the same price. Regardless, Mossberg did indeed pass the test. This proves that the aluminum reciever does not make the gun particularly weak by any means.

The Mossberg also makes more sense from an armorer's perspective, since they require no special tools for parts replacement.

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Old 04-08-2020, 08:58 AM
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Having had both Remingtons and Mossbergs, as I mentioned before, it's the 590 for me. The Remingtons have since moved on. It's not they are 'bad' shotguns - there are very few bad pump shotgun designs, really - it's just that the Mossberg benefits from a much more practical or 'convenient' design, meaning, controls are in better locations for quick handling and, in general, it possesses rugged simplicity. My only 'issue' with the Mossberg is the contour of the safety. It's rather narrow and shallow. I've seen thumbs skip right of of it during competition when adrenaline and sweat are in play. However, swap to one of these and a great pump shotgun becomes a superb pump shotgun!!!

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Old 04-08-2020, 09:10 AM
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People keep bringing up the subject of steel recievers. In the context of the shotguns in the poll, the locking lugs are steel, and lock into a steel barrel extension. ....
Pumps aren't used in any kind of high volume competition, but semi autos are. Benelli, Beretta both dominate from an autoloader perspective. Those guns go 10's upon 10's of thousands of shots with no problems.....all have aluminum receivers because again.....as you pointed out....the bolt locks into the barrel.....not the receiver.
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Old 04-08-2020, 09:18 AM
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If the R-870 was good enough for USAF Minuteman LF's and my Sheriff's Department, they're good enough for me.
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Old 04-08-2020, 10:02 AM
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Hi, years ago I worked part time for a big box gun store. Most popular was 870. Those that were on a budget picked the 500. Winchester's were not popular at all. This was 15 years ago in only one place so ,YMMV, Mike
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Old 04-08-2020, 01:01 PM
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I know where there is one for sale right now.

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The two 1980's-vintage ones I used to own certainly patterned like one.

I would really like to get a Winchester 1897 in Trench Gun configuration someday, just because. Nothing like a 12-gauge shotgun with a 17" long bayonet to get somebody's attention.
No bayonet, but it is an original trench gun. The guy is pretty proud of it and rightfully so. Clean original ones with the Ordnance bomb bring pretty big bucks.
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