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Old 05-10-2019, 06:33 AM
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Colt 1911 9mm

LGS just got two of them come in.

Looking for advice and good reasons to buy a 1911 in 9mm (except my Colt 1911 fever).

Main reason I see is the fact that the military range and club I frequent in the summer months does not allow me to shoot .45.

I have become so enamoured in the various Colts 1911 I have that this is becoming a frustration for me. I have used my SM ACE at this range.

Took a few pics, LGS owner was busy and I donít touch other peopleís guns without asking first. Price ($ 1490 for either) is on the high side, even for Switzerland, but there might be some wiggle room.

This one made in 1979







And this one in 1980





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Old 05-10-2019, 12:00 PM
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The first one with the 70L prefix is a real 9mm , the other with the B70 suffix, 1980 is not a 9 mm originally. Buy the 1979

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Old 05-10-2019, 12:11 PM
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1490 is a little high , offer 1200 and see if they take . , The 1980 being a 45 serial number with a 9mm top is worth much less than the 1979.

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Old 05-10-2019, 11:18 PM
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Both Government Models is very nice like new and looks lot less wear to me in these photos. I would say pick the top one as Infidel525 says its a true 9mm. Try offer $1200 to $1250 and see what he will take.
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Old 05-10-2019, 11:30 PM
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What is the exchange rate? I’m not sure what 1490.00 Swiss equals in US dollars.
But I’m with the rest, go with the 1979. Older is almost always better with Colt’s
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Old 05-11-2019, 02:02 AM
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The first one with the 70L prefix is a real 9mm , the other with the B70 suffix, 1980 is not a 9 mm originally. Buy the 1979

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1490 is a little high , offer 1200 and see if they take . , The 1980 being a 45 serial number with a 9mm top is worth much less than the 1979.

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That makes sense, I remember seeing a .45 magazine in the B70 gun, thinking someone made a mistake and mixed up mags.
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Old 05-11-2019, 02:05 AM
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Both Government Models is very nice like new and looks lot less wear to me in these photos. I would say pick the top one as Infidel525 says its a true 9mm. Try offer $1200 to $1250 and see what he will take.

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What is the exchange rate? Iím not sure what 1490.00 Swiss equals in US dollars.
But Iím with the rest, go with the 1979. Older is almost always better with Coltís
Thanks. The CHF - USD exchange rate has been at parity or very close for some time, So 1:1.
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Old 05-11-2019, 10:02 AM
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The first one with the 70L prefix is a real 9mm , the other with the B70 suffix, 1980 is not a 9 mm originally.
I have a 70B Service Model ACE .22 bought new by me. I have seen corresponding SM numbered centerfires. Colt is not real careful about such stuff.

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That makes sense, I remember seeing a .45 magazine in the B70 gun, thinking someone made a mistake and mixed up mags.
I'm wondering it someone made a mistake printing the price tag. Did you get a look at the size of the hole in the barrel?
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Old 05-11-2019, 10:11 AM
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I have a 70B Service Model ACE .22 bought new by me. I have seen corresponding SM numbered centerfires. Colt is not real careful about such stuff.







I'm wondering it someone made a mistake printing the price tag. Did you get a look at the size of the hole in the barrel?


Good point, maybe itís a .45 after all. I did not see the bore or the slide markings on the left side, as I did not want to handle or touch the gun without permission.

Iíve also seen ACE models with either the B or SM serial number. Mine is a SM.
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Old 05-11-2019, 12:11 PM
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I have a 70B Service Model ACE .22 bought new by me. I have seen corresponding SM numbered centerfires. Colt is not real careful about such stuff.







I'm wondering it someone made a mistake printing the price tag. Did you get a look at the size of the hole in the barrel?
That is true about the .22 ace and .45's , but it doesn't matter because the .22 doesn't use the .45 ramp and I'm going to guess that the .22 frame has a 45 ramp.

The only way to be sure is to letter the B70 pistol for $100, but the 45 ramp is different than the 9mm/.38super and since you have the opportunity to buy a real 9mm it makes zero sense to buy the B70 pistol when you have the 70L right there and it should run reliably.

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Old 05-11-2019, 02:14 PM
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Agree, why bother? Get the one with the proper marking.
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Old 05-12-2019, 02:39 AM
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Good point, maybe itís a .45 after all. I did not see the bore or the slide markings on the left side, as I did not want to handle or touch the gun without permission.

Iíve also seen ACE models with either the B or SM serial number. Mine is a SM.
I didn't look at the tag but since you didn't look closely at the pistol it may actually be a. 45 .

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Old 05-22-2019, 08:07 AM
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It was indeed just a wrong tag, the B70 is a .45

So I took a closer look at the 9 mm













It is a nice gun and I am tempted. I used to see those guns in the 1200 range a few years ago, but itís been a while I didnít see any for sale. Also the price of new Colts is horrendously expensive here, and since this LGS sells them too, he surely uses that as a reference point.

Iíll go back there shortly and make a decision. They also have a nice Sig P210-6 in .30 Luger which I like.
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Old 05-22-2019, 10:02 AM
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........ They also have a nice Sig P210-6 in .30 Luger which I like.
Oh, you just had to throw a wrench in the works, didn't you? It was a fairly simple decision right up until the point you mentioned the 210!!!

Well, good luck making your choice!
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Old 05-22-2019, 11:51 AM
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Oh, you just had to throw a wrench in the works, didn't you? It was a fairly simple decision right up until the point you mentioned the 210!!!

Well, good luck making your choice!


Wonder if I can sell the kids and get both pistols ?



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Old 05-22-2019, 01:58 PM
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A friend got a 9mm Colt like that. The conservationists were horrified when he had it checkered, fitted with adjustable sights and a Kart barrel.

I normally avoid odd calibers, but I would look closely at a .30.
Wonder if I could just get a .30 barrel for 9mm Sig, Colt, or CZ?
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Old 05-23-2019, 06:56 AM
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I would be happy with either the Colt 9 MM or the Sig! A full size 1911 in 9MM shoots so nice though...
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Old 07-16-2019, 01:33 AM
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Didn't I hear long ago of a few (or one?) .30 Luger Colt M1911?? Maybe, maybe not as my grandson says! CC
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Old 07-16-2019, 10:28 AM
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Colt (and others) are getting back into 9mm. In 2017 I bought a GCNM MkIV Series 70 to go with my 2015 in 45ACP. Nice pistol.



One boo hoo is it is not roll marked 9mm Luger.

Although I bought one in 38 Super in 2018 Colt also makes the GCT in 9mm. Mine is a GCT Lite and is over my GCT in 45ACP from 2015 where I did put new stocks on it. The GCT Lite does not have the Series 80 mechanical firing pin safety by the way.



Mention these as they were just a little over $1K when I got them but not sure what they would sell for over there.
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Old 07-16-2019, 03:15 PM
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What is the reasoning behind not allowing shooters to shoot .45?
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Old 07-16-2019, 03:55 PM
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Beats me. It isn't going to ding the bullet trap any more if as much as a 9mm, it isn't louder.

At one time, ISU would allow you to shoot a .45 in Centerfire at local level, but I think not in championships and if you set a record, it would not be recognized. Big holes might steal points, you know.

I read one guy to say he shot with his .30 Luger which rattled the .32 wadcutter guys but was legal and accurate.
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Old 07-16-2019, 04:39 PM
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I love the 1911 pistol in 9 mm. Mine is not Colt, but I have a Stainless Target 9 mm in another brand and it's my favorite 1911 pistol. Just stoking the fire here!
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Old 07-17-2019, 08:29 AM
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Didn't I hear long ago of a few (or one?) .30 Luger Colt M1911?? Maybe, maybe not as my grandson says! CC
I believe they were made for the Italian market. At one time and it may be still, you could not own a "military" caliber firearm in Italy. I know that is why there are .30 Luger High Powers.
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