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Old 05-23-2020, 12:24 PM
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Couple of "new" Ponies to the stable!

Picked both of these up off GB for pretty decent prices.

At first glance, I thought I would be a little more excited about the Wiley Clapp Gov't....it is a 2012....beavertail is very loose as most have stated and the trigger is fairly loose as well....side to side and up and down with a long pull and long reset....breaks nicely though. Both could be much better after some tweaking. The N.M. barrel locks up nicely but could benefit from a thick EGW bushing. The Pete Single checkering is ridiculously nice and probably my favorite part of the gun so far. Not too crazy about the grips or the sights either but again, easy fixes.

The 1972 70 Series in the box takes the cake for me as everyone should have an original full size blued Colt in their collection. I plan on leaving this one as you see it....finish is in pretty good shape with normal wear marks for its age, trigger pull is like butter and the barrel locks up nice and tight with the collet bushing. Nothing beats those roll marks!
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Old 05-23-2020, 12:30 PM
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Nothing beats those roll marks!
Or the bluing. The way Colt polished those flats to a mirror sheen without rounding off the edges or puddling the markings is a lost art the likes of which well never see again, at least not on a production gun. In fact those gorgeous pre-70 and Series 70 pistols were what got me into 1911s to begin with. I'm not so sure I'd be as much of a fan of 1911s if I were a new shooter considering what's out there these days.
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Old 05-23-2020, 12:49 PM
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Couldn't agree with you more....they're beautiful 1911's for sure! The pictures don't do it any justice
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Old 05-23-2020, 01:40 PM
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Old 05-23-2020, 01:43 PM
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What I found really interesting is that even though the WC doesn't have the 80 series drop safety, Colt installed an 80 series extractor and FPS in there 🤷‍♂️
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Old 05-23-2020, 01:54 PM
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Colt hasn't made pre-Series 80 firing pins or extractors since the 1980s. Every "Series 70" or military 1911 replica they've made since then has used Series 80 internal parts. Since you can't even tell without taking the gun apart they figure it's a non-issue. When the Series 70 repros fist came out in the early 2000s I bought some pre-80 parts to put in mine, but soon I learned to not worry about it.
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Old 05-23-2020, 02:04 PM
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That makes sense, I guess I just wasn't expecting it and the parts don't look the same as the ones I'm used to. None of my other 1911's are 80 series and my other Colt is a Pre-80 series Combat Commander.

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Old 05-23-2020, 04:26 PM
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Nice looking pistols. I have a 2013 Colt/Talo Clapp Commander. Now the fit and finish on it is lovely but it is the third one I looked at over a period of about a year.



On the other hand, to put things in perspective, I bought a 78 Gov new in 78. My father had a friend who owned a gun store and we went by after hours. He had three or four new Govs and several older, used, Colt 1911s. We looked at them and finally decided on a new one that had the best fit and finish. Then it went to a gunsmith who put on better (to me) sights. He also throated the barrel and opened up and flaired the ejection port. He also helped me install a long trigger and flat MSH. Still have the original stocks, trigger, and MSH, but for the rest there is no easy going back.



Still have the 78 and carried it for years but it is semi retired now.
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Old 05-23-2020, 04:26 PM
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Hard to believe those series-70 is starting to be in 50-years-old C&R category. Right now good to excellent condition pre-70 Colt is very expense. And I cannot get a series-70 in California unless I can find one from a local seller and pay a premium on that.

I would like to eventually buy a '72 Colt when it become C&R in 2 years.
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Old 05-23-2020, 04:38 PM
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Still have the 78 and carried it for years but it is semi retired now.
That '78 is gorgeous 😳

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Hard to believe those series-70 is starting to be in 50-years-old C&R category. Right now good to excellent condition pre-70 Colt is very expense. And I cannot get a series-70 in California unless I can find one from a local seller and pay a premium on that.

I would like to eventually buy a '72 Colt when it become C&R in 2 years.
These Series 70 Colts are something else man, non of my others feel anything like, a true classic.
Thank goodness NY doesn't suck as bad (yet) as CA with their gun laws....if I were you I would scoop one up as soon as I could....prices are only going 👆
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Old 05-28-2020, 11:46 AM
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Congratulations DougBuff, nice addition.
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Old 05-29-2020, 07:48 AM
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Retro ignition and thumb safety from John Harrison, Brown slide stop and Stan Chen mainspring housing. HD Trigger and EGW bushing/plug from my parts bin....a lot less rattling and the trigger pull is significantly better than it was....I'm starting to like this one more and more! Excited to go shooting once everything opens back up.

Grips are black walnut w/ purple heart inlays from Wood Caliber
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Old 05-29-2020, 09:41 AM
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Congrats on the great pick ups.
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Old 05-31-2020, 03:03 AM
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Kudos on the additions to your stable, Doug Buff. Re what DSK said about the old process for polishing the flats, I have often wondered if there weren't actually just enough edge rounding to break some of the edges. It seemed to me the older guns did not feel quite so razor-sharp in handling.

I have to agree with you that I was not wild about the OEM grips in terms of feel -- that taper toward the front feels odd -- but I belatedly realized my shooting hand indexes more quickly and consistently with them. I spend less time looking for the front sight with the OEM grips than I do with other 1911s with grips more conventional in profile.

MY GS rattled a lot but it was not due to side-to-side play or poor fitting (it's actually fit rather well) but the GS leg of the sear spring doesn't have much engagement with it. I know it's an easy fix, but I've been too lazy to mess with it,

How was your extractor? Any clocking in it? I need to refit mine and probably fit a new firing pin stop.
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Old 05-31-2020, 03:05 AM
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Nice looking pistols. I have a 2013 Colt/Talo Clapp Commander. Now the fit and finish on it is lovely but it is the third one I looked at over a period of about a year..
That WC Commander is growing on me...
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Old 05-31-2020, 09:37 PM
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I adjusted the sear spring leaf and with the new Harrison T.S. it is much better than before.

The extractor does have some movement as does the FPS....in fact when I removed the FPS to change the firing pin spring the extractor just fell right out haha....I ordered an extractor and an oversized series 7o FPS from EGW but have not gotten around to installing them yet.
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