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Old 04-28-2020, 11:56 AM
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"I can say with certainty that is all original." used.
With polite and gentle respect: If an expert on this forum states a part is not OEM original to a particular model, please heed the commentary. Although we here on the forum certainly appreciate and willingly take any background information- it is well known that anyone's memory and/or possible events associated with a pistol can add up to something different when viewed over the course of a lifetime's decades. For example, we have seen a member unequivocally state Mr X said Y but then have it conclusively demonstrated a pistol COULD not nor CANNOT have the parts or storied associated with its stated history. Review some of the many posts on this sight for other examples. Some could go like this: "Uncle Joe said he carried this pistol during the June 1944 invasion of Normandy and that's that!!!!" When member is shown the serial number of XYZ model was made in February 1945...well, they tend to get a bit huffy. You probably see my point. In all ways otherwise, thanks for posting and sure is a neat piece with some interesting WWII history!
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Old 04-28-2020, 01:36 PM
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With polite and gentle respect: If an expert on this forum states a part is not OEM original to a particular model, please heed the commentary.
The problem with that answer is that collectors have learned to "never say never". I have not seen or heard of a US&S with a milled trigger, but I can't say with 100% certainty that they have never been shipped with a milled trigger supplied from Colt because I have only seen a relatively small sample size. I am hoping that one of the other collectors who've seen a lot more of them can possibly chime in. Clawson never mentioned them in his book, nor did Meadows, but at this point anything is possible.

Also remember of course that a trigger is ridiculously quick and simple to swap out, so it could have been done before the OP's uncle was issued it.
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Old 04-29-2020, 09:16 AM
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The problem with that answer is that collectors have learned to "never say never". I have not seen or heard of a US&S with a milled trigger, but I can't say with 100% certainty that they have never been shipped with a milled trigger supplied from Colt because I have only seen a relatively small sample size. I am hoping that one of the other collectors who've seen a lot more of them can possibly chime in. Clawson never mentioned them in his book, nor did Meadows, but at this point anything is possible.

Also remember of course that a trigger is ridiculously quick and simple to swap out, so it could have been done before the OP's uncle was issued it.
Fair enough statement; well within the realm of possibility on all points.
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Old 05-03-2020, 02:32 AM
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Uss

I agree, the pictures are dark. If some daylight pictures are taken and it still looks dark, I would say the pistol has possibly been re-finished by Doug Turnbull as it is a dead ringer for my USS done by him for a small fee LOL. As for the provenance, many USS's were issued to the Army Air Corps, which is the origin of one of my two USS's. Any information on the origin of that pistol might prove interesting as he is standing by a plane in one of the pictures. Good thread. Thanks.
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Old 05-03-2020, 09:19 AM
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Pretty cool history and photos.
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Old 05-20-2020, 06:48 PM
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I found something interesting in Meadow's Book:

The small arms division of the ordnance dept in 1947 wrote:
Project Supporting Paper Relating to Pistol, Automatic, Caliber .45, M1911A1

"The practice of transferring steel, finished components, cutters, etc., from plant to plant as needs arose greatly facilitated production, because delays while awaiting supplies were eliminated to a large extent."

My pistol was built during a peak production month for US&S. Only one manufacturer made all the stamped triggers for the different companies making 1911s. Maybe they ran low and got some milled ones to meet the demand.
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Old 05-24-2020, 06:28 PM
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Nice pistol and great pictures. Thank you for sharing.
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Old 05-24-2020, 06:53 PM
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My pistol was built during a peak production month for US&S. Only one manufacturer made all the stamped triggers for the different companies making 1911s. Maybe they ran low and got some milled ones to meet the demand.
If that is the case then there should be more pistols out there in the same serial range with milled triggers. So far I haven't heard of any, but like I said, "never say never". Just remember that a 1911 trigger can be swapped out in minutes, even without tools if you know how.
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