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Old 12-30-2019, 08:48 PM
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Here is a tip I learned after researching "gun safes" for over a year. $$$$

When researching an important high dollar expense I tend to go overboard.
It literally took a year with many phone calls to the REAL experts to come to the conclusion that many already here may know; A "gun safe" isnt really a "safe".
For example an insurance company will not insure a Jeweler if he store his items in a "Gun safe".
Those that have already bought not to worry as the chances of a real pro burgler breaking in (not the next door neighbor's kid or a crack head) are about the same as being hit by lightning.
Twice.
They will ineffectively knock the dial off the safe, smoke a bowl trying to figure it out, then grab your TV and scram (You've got the valuables in the safe right ?).

However for those truly anal the "real" safes are Underwriter Laboratories TL or above rated and not a Registered Security Container like most "gun safes".
Add real UL measurable resistance to fire as well... not manufacturer "manufactured" claims.
Which is realistically a bigger real world worry unless you live in South Dallas etc.

You can nerd out here;
https://gunsafereviewsguy.com/articl...-protection/2/

So here is my tip.
If you want a REAL safe check out the local Jewelry safe retailer.
Big cities have them. Or look online.
And buy a USED one.
I paid a quarter price for my "ugly" massive Amsec TL30.
Much less than the glossy gold plated high end retail brands that couldn't hold a candle to a TL30.
BTW I love my Plain Jane flat grey beauty and get a woodie every time opening that ludicrously heavy door.
The DOOR on this TL30 weighs more than most "gun safes".


In smaller towns you will have to have them sent by a professional jewelry safe installer. Retailer will let you know the costs.

You can line the insides yourself with rolled felt and 3M car interior /headliner spray adhesive.
Ask them to drill a hole big enough for an electrical cord in the back. 3/8"
Push a cord through and assemble a plug-in socket for lights / heater yourself.
YouTube it if you dont know how. Simple.

Use Rifle rods to fill the safe.

And if you have to put it in the garage...no worries.
No-one except The Pink Panther is getting in.
And he's not looking for guns.

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Old 12-30-2019, 09:28 PM
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Which model . TL 30 shows several sizes.

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Old 12-30-2019, 10:02 PM
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Interesting comment from the website:

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Jun 4, 2015 at 12:48

Very informative web site. Havenít taken it all in yet, but hereís an important point: you can have the best safe in your state, but if youíve got family (especially kids) Ė itíll be easy for the bad guys to get in. Youíll open it for them. Have heard some very disturbing trends that cartel/gang folks are using. Even if youíre willing to die for the contents Ė if your kids are there you *will* open it for the crooks.

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Old 12-30-2019, 11:53 PM
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Interesting comment from the website:
MUCH more important than safes is keeping the bad guys away in the first place.
Multiple mega pixel cameras are the solution.
Cheap COSTCO cameras better than nothing.
Fake cameras better than nothing. Perhaps all thats needed.

Some safes have a timed delayed opening no matter what.
Punch in the buttons and 10 minutes later the safe opens.
Some have auto police call.

Once the bad guys enter your property its a crap shoot.

Outdoor Lighting and cameras keep them away.

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Old 12-30-2019, 11:58 PM
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Which model . TL 30 shows several sizes.

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Talk to the reatailer for price vs size.


GO BIG !

Even the largest TL30 is not that big compared to the expanded foot lockers masquerading as gun safes.
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Old 12-31-2019, 06:11 AM
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Old 12-31-2019, 06:44 AM
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lightguy,

Thanks for the link. Very valuable info there.
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Old 12-31-2019, 06:53 AM
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Old 01-11-2020, 01:13 PM
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careful with used safes. The UL is constantly updating tactics and tools, and a safe that passed TL-30 10 years ago, might not even rate TL15 today.

All security measures simply give you time. Given enough time and motivation the bad guys get in.

If wall/door thickness is measured in gauge its not a safe
if it doesn't carry a UL TL rating its not a safe
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Old 03-18-2020, 05:04 PM
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I am in the process of moving south, and I figured the best way to move everything would be to buy a safe down there and move things slowly. When its all moved, ill sell my liberty. This youtube info from a safe guy down south was very enlightening. give it a watch if in the market for a safe. Probably nothing as capable as a jewelers safe but im not sure I could afford one of those puppies!

https://youtu.be/ltK-bDbADa8
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Old 03-20-2020, 07:14 PM
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A safe is a relative term

Go on YouTube and ask how to break into your favorite safe

You will get an education QUICK

Is it a good idea? Yes

Will it stop a determined thief with time, tools and knowledge?

Nope
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Old 03-20-2020, 09:02 PM
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A safe is a relative term

Go on YouTube and ask how to break into your favorite safe

You will get an education QUICK

Is it a good idea? Yes

Will it stop a determined thief with time, tools and knowledge?

Nope
A good quality security container, bolted in place, is an excellent deterrent against all but the most capable and informed thief. And those few folks arenít the ones breaking into homes hoping to steal stuff to sell to support their drug habit.

Do I like chinese safes? No. But there are many good American made options.
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Old 04-04-2020, 11:24 PM
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All my guns are simply stored in various places around the apartment (sock drawer, closet shelf, under the bed, etc). All of the rifles are in Pelican cases next to my guitars in the spare bedroom. There was no decent safe I could practically get up into a 3rd story apartment. I had a hell of a time just getting the 400lb treadmill up the stairs.

Unfortunately, my only security measure is a good insurance policy.
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Old 07-28-2020, 05:25 AM
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Protecting your valuables.....and no safe.....

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Unfortunately, my only security measure is a good insurance policy.
With a good "rider" on your homeowners policy for your guitars and firearms!
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Old 08-10-2020, 11:11 AM
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I am in the process of moving south, and I figured the best way to move everything would be to buy a safe down there and move things slowly. When its all moved, ill sell my liberty. This youtube info from a safe guy down south was very enlightening. give it a watch if in the market for a safe. Probably nothing as capable as a jewelers safe but im not sure I could afford one of those puppies!

https://youtu.be/ltK-bDbADa8
I also watched this video last year and learned a thing or two about gun safes. The video made me doubt the capabilities of my current AMSEC safe.
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Old 08-19-2020, 10:25 AM
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We have a nice enough safe. Pragmatism says itís just a deterrent and MIGHT protect things in a fire. But if the whole house goes, itíll just turn into a kiln.


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Old 08-26-2020, 09:42 AM
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My gun safe is a really messy storage closet.
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Old 09-11-2020, 06:54 AM
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What about water in the case of flooding?
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Some good tips and points.
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Old 09-14-2020, 08:55 AM
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The one I looked at very quickly, 2311 lb, yes I would say no one is hauling that baby away easily.
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Old 09-22-2020, 06:04 PM
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I love my Fort Knox safe. This is my second one as I had to upgrade. Not sure what the UL ratings is but it’s built like a tank.
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