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Old 05-19-2017, 08:40 AM
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Minnesota Constitutional Carry

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/0...oosen-gun-laws

Dayton will of course never sign off on it, but the Fudd who also happens to be an Air Force veteran trying to confuse a constitutional right with an occupationally set standard (qualification) just riles me a hair.

Another article quoting a representative for Muslims talked about how the proposed defense law was "accidentally" racist because young immigrant males can be seen as "aggressive" and might get shot if they did that seemed something violent or untoward, by say some horribly privileged white person.

Fighting to make your state accept the constitution as valid is especially difficult when assists are quoted as experts while parading their veteran status (the worst kind of Fudd) coupled with secondary parties appealing to the modern social justice warrior's misplaced sense of white guilt.
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:24 AM
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Every day I get a little more disgusted. It seems like the TAX PAYING voters are getting shafted more and more. I've had my carry permit since 81 and let it go a few years ago when I was in a accident and pretty much went flat broke. It really riles me to have to cough up $ 200 to receive training from someone who really doesn't seem to have a clue and pay off the law enforcement for a piece of paper that non of the street punks seem to need, they carry and don't spend time for doing so.
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:37 AM
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On another note, why does it cost $100 for the sheriffs dept. to print out a carry permit, but a plastic permit to purchase is free.
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:15 AM
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[/QUOTE] coupled with secondary parties appealing to the modern social justice warrior's misplaced sense of white guilt.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, this is puzzling to me too. Like I'm supposed to feel guilty about it or something.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:01 PM
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It looks like the Stand Your Ground legislation here in MN will not make it through either. A lot of people got elected promising it would get done this year and now it's being slow rolled to run out the clock.

Here is part of an email I got yesterday from the MN Gun Owners Caucus talking about the situation.

Ron --

We've crossed the double digit threshold for the number of hours remaining in the 2017 legislative session - as I write this message to you on Thursday evening there are less than 99 hours to go in the 2017 legislative session.

And gun owners in Minnesota should be asking.. where is the Stand your Ground Bill (HF 238)?

Why hasn't it come to the floor?

During the 2016 election cycle, we heard many promises from pro-gun candidates about legislation that they support - including Stand your Ground legislation. They made those promises to you - the law-abiding gun owners of Minnesota.

But have they delivered?

Hearings on Stand your Ground and Constitutional Carry were held in March in the House Public Safety Committee.

After Senator Limmer publicly declared he would not take any action on Constitutional Carry or Stand your Ground, we fought diligently to get both measures included in the Public Safety Omnibus. Our efforts were rebuffed.

Constitutional Carry was never brought forward, but Stand your Ground was brought out of committee after the committee deadline and passed on to the floor.

However, because the bill required a rules waiver for having missed the committee deadline, it sat before the House Rules Committee for weeks before finally being passed for a waiver on Monday of this week.

Was it scheduled for a vote on the House Floor on Tuesday? No.

On Wednesday? No.

On Thursday or Friday of this week? No.

And now, suddenly, we're being told that we're running out of time in the legislative session - which ends in just under a hundred hours from now.

As it stands today, more pro-gun legislation has passed in Minnesota under divided control (ex: 2003, 2005, 2015) where each party has one house than when Republicans have full control of both chambers.

Is this what you expected when you went to the polls in 2016?
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:52 PM
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On another note, why does it cost $100 for the sheriffs dept. to print out a carry permit, but a plastic permit to purchase is free.
It's essentially a measure to prevent undesirable (IE low income) people. The sort of people who live in places where they have even more of a need to exercise their right to self defense, the working class peasants who they want to "protect" from everything, including themselves.
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coupled with secondary parties appealing to the modern social justice warrior's misplaced sense of white guilt.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, this is puzzling to me too. Like I'm supposed to feel guilty about it or something.[/QUOTE]

Because you're supposed to feel guilt for the actions of those who lived before you and over things that had not been codified until the modern era. It is logically fallacious on every level and entirely designed to appeal to your emotions. I know that when I tell people that I'm fine with an influx of women, children, even the elderly, but that I'm not a supporter of the number of military aged males they've kept bringing in under refugee status.

There is a clear disconnect with these people that blinds them to reality, logic, or reason.
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:37 PM
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coupled with secondary parties appealing to the modern social justice warrior's misplaced sense of white guilt.
Yeah, this is puzzling to me too. Like I'm supposed to feel guilty about it or something.[/QUOTE]

Because you're supposed to feel guilt for the actions of those who lived before you and over things that had not been codified until the modern era. It is logically fallacious on every level and entirely designed to appeal to your emotions. I know that when I tell people that I'm fine with an influx of women, children, even the elderly, but that I'm not a supporter of the number of military aged males they've kept bringing in under refugee status.

There is a clear disconnect with these people that blinds them to reality, logic, or reason.[/QUOTE]

Of COURSE I'm responsible for what occured 5 generations before I was born, and the norm and acceptable for the time and place... my mother's family emigrated from Scotland to the Carolinas in the early 1700s. They became successful plantation owners. They owned as many as 120 slaves at one point...

None of which I feel any responsibility of guilt for. "Corruption of blood", the idea that the sins or crimes of the father can be passed to, and ar the responsibility of the son, is expressly prohibited in the Constitution...
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:39 PM
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Yeah, this is puzzling to me too. Like I'm supposed to feel guilty about it or something.
Because you're supposed to feel guilt for the actions of those who lived before you and over things that had not been codified until the modern era. It is logically fallacious on every level and entirely designed to appeal to your emotions. I know that when I tell people that I'm fine with an influx of women, children, even the elderly, but that I'm not a supporter of the number of military aged males they've kept bringing in under refugee status.

There is a clear disconnect with these people that blinds them to reality, logic, or reason.[/QUOTE]

Of COURSE I'm responsible for what occured 5 generations before I was born, and the norm and acceptable for the time and place... my mother's family emigrated from Scotland to the Carolinas in the early 1700s. They became successful plantation owners. They owned as many as 120 slaves at one point...

None of which I feel any responsibility of guilt for. "Corruption of blood", the idea that the sins or crimes of the father can be passed to, and ar the responsibility of the son, is expressly prohibited in the Constitution...[/QUOTE]

shoot they did? that means you owe them for the REST OF YOUR LIFE YOU RACIST SCUMBAG! don't you realize how that creates a position of privilige and your inherent racism (even if you don't consider yourself racists) just propagates the proliferation of sexism and racism, and nazism and makes you pro trump and whatever triggered statement I can think of !!!

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Old 05-19-2017, 09:33 PM
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shoot they did? that means you owe them for the REST OF YOUR LIFE YOU RACIST SCUMBAG! don't you realize how that creates a position of privilige and your inherent racism (even if you don't consider yourself racists) just propagates the proliferation of sexism and racism, and nazism and makes you pro trump and whatever triggered statement I can think of !!!

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Yep, thats it... every member of my family, including myself, has been self made for the last 150+ years. None has been born to "privilage" of any sort. My father got an MBA in the 60s, and was a bank executive. When I was a kid, we didn't have cable- we had good dental insurance and a house in a middle class neighbohood. Didn't have a factory new car in the immediate family till I was 17. Solid middle class is about the best we are, through our own work. On my fathers side, its late 18th century immigration from Germany - my great grandfather was a a German navy officer, who despised the Kaiser; learned English, made arrangements for his wife to get to France, England, and then the US, and literally deserted when his ship made a port call in the US. Met up with his wife, and went west....

But of course I "owe" anyone with skin a shade darker than mine something because of my bloodline...
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:50 PM
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If slavery has been around since the existence of man, and we are led to believe that humankind probably started in Africa, then who is really to blame here. There is no way any of us should ever feel guilty about preserving our or our family's lives.
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:19 PM
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When it comes to slavery in Africa, there's always a couple of things to keep in mind.

Who sold Africans into slavery?

Who continues to sell Africans into slavery even today?

As for Minnesota?

I support the Citizens of Minnesota who want to reclaim some of their lost Human, Civil and Constitutional Rights.
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Old 05-20-2017, 12:03 AM
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"Constitutional carry"?

You never heard this term a decade ago. I can not help but wonder if we are doing ourselves a disservice or not using this term. I may be way off base here. But I have to consider this. Do we really have to have a hierarchy of how a God given right is to be dispensed amongst us?

I am not really beefing on anyone here. But just pondering this for a bit. I am not sure that I want to pigeonhole a right in any specific fashion dictated by nomenclature. They way that I see it, you can call it whatever you want, but the facts remain the same.

I just have to wonder if by calling it "Constitutional carry". Are we saying that a higher bar of legitimacy needs to be reached over what has already been determined to be an inherently God given right? I could go on, but I will leave it as is for now.
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You never heard this term a decade ago. I can not help but wonder if we are doing ourselves a disservice or not using this term. I may be way off base here. But I have to consider this. Do we really have to have a hierarchy of how a God given right is to be dispensed amongst us?

I am not really beefing on anyone here. But just pondering this for a bit. I am not sure that I want to pigeonhole a right in any specific fashion dictated by nomenclature. They way that I see it, you can call it whatever you want, but the facts remain the same.

I just have to wonder if by calling it "Constitutional carry". Are we saying that a higher bar of legitimacy needs to be reached over what has already been determined to be an inherently God given right? I could go on, but I will leave it as is for now.
A question that has always occurred to me is "Why do we require a "Permit" for a "Right"?

I personally think that over the decades, the Leftist Elitists chipped, chipped, chipped away at our Rights, slowly but surely indoctrinating "The People" into thinking that it's "Them The Government" rather than "We The People", until we reached the point that we were willing to stand in line, pay a fee, take a test, and get a "Government Issued Permission Slip" in order to exercise an "Inalienable Right".

What is really twisting the Leftist Liberal Elitists Panties is that over the past decade and a half or so, we've been clawing our way back to it being a "Right" rather than a "Permitted Activity".

And if you don't think they're hypocritical about that, consider this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odB1wWPqSlE

And then consider this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0YWodKZi3c
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HB375 (Constitutional Carry) in the Texas House died due to RINOs and Democrats in committee.

It never even got an up or down vote.
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Old 05-21-2017, 04:32 PM
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Yeah, but like the Terminator, it will be back.

That's how most of the restrictions got enacted in the first place; tabled again and again over decades, until they finally went through.

It's just that back then it happened out of public view. Now we can not only see the lawmaking process in real time, we're able to put up active resistance against the infringers.

Things could be a lot better, sure. But even at Y2K, I would never have believed fourteen states would have Constitutional Carry.
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Yep, thats it... every member of my family, including myself, has been self made for the last 150+ years. None has been born to "privilage" of any sort. My father got an MBA in the 60s, and was a bank executive. When I was a kid, we didn't have cable- we had good dental insurance and a house in a middle class neighbohood. Didn't have a factory new car in the immediate family till I was 17. Solid middle class is about the best we are, through our own work. On my fathers side, its late 18th century immigration from Germany - my great grandfather was a a German navy officer, who despised the Kaiser; learned English, made arrangements for his wife to get to France, England, and then the US, and literally deserted when his ship made a port call in the US. Met up with his wife, and went west....

But of course I "owe" anyone with skin a shade darker than mine something because of my bloodline...
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I find it improbable that a state that can elect a turd like Al Franken twice will ever restore 2A rights.
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I find it improbable that a state that can elect a turd like Al Franken twice will ever restore 2A rights.
One of our biggest hurdles has been the fact that the DFL candidates can be complete and utter pussies. I remember Collin Peterson saying, "The devil is in the details," when asked how he would vote on anti-gun laws back when Dayton was pushing for a weapon's ban in the state following Sandy Hook at the behest of his crush Barack Obama and he has always been endorsed by the NRA.

Being surrounded by granola munching social-justice warriors who really think that dropping MOAB was "MUUUUURDER" now that I'm living in Minneapolis is an even ruder awakening. These people will flat out say, "educate yourself," when you question their absurd claims on just about anything. I'm here to tell you that it's a cop out to avoid exposing how blithely ignorant they are or how shallow their social agenda really is. Hipsters, flakes, and troglodytes.
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