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View Poll Results: Solid or folding front sight?
Yes I like seeing the front post 6 13.33%
I prefer a clear view 17 37.78%
doesnt matter once you are used to it 22 48.89%
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Old 05-18-2017, 07:27 AM
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Red Dot and front sight question

Not asking what you have, but what you prefer.
do you like always having a fixed front sight when looking through the optic? Or would you rather you had a flip up front sight? I understand co witnessing, I am just wondering if you enjoy always seeing the front post in your view.
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Old 05-18-2017, 07:28 AM
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Either or


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Old 05-18-2017, 10:38 AM
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either or. I have both
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Old 05-18-2017, 11:33 AM
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I prefer a fixed front sight. If I keep the red dot zeroed right on or above the sight post it helps prevent any issues with paralax.
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Old 05-18-2017, 12:15 PM
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I prefer a flip up front sight, but have no problem running a full sized optic behind a fixed one.
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Old 05-18-2017, 12:33 PM
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I do not 'enjoy' seeing the front sight, but if I use both eyes when aiming, the front sight as well as the body of the red-dot sight becomes translucent, so you have a complete view of the area in front of the gun, with the red dot being the predominant feature. Since you understand 'co-witness', the assumption is you also understand that it is useless and has no practical application, since nobody would ever use both sighting systems at the same time. The thing to do is install your sight as close to or as far away from your eye as you want and as high or low as suits you, without regard to anything else. It turns out that in every case I can think of, there will always be some field of view available for the dot above the front sight, which does come in handy when sighting in or target shooting with one eye closed. With my old EOTech, there was no choice - it mounted on the rail and the dot ended up at a certain place - 'full co-witness' IIRC. With the MRO that replaced it, I got the 'lower 1/3' mount, which is tall. I didn't like this at all since I had to get my face up off the stock to see through it, so I went with the 'full co-witness' or mid-height mount, which came out perfect. The front sight base is prominent in the sight picture but absolutely is not a problem. I want the standard front sight to remain so I have back-up sights. I have them sighted at 50 yds, same as the red-dot.
To illustrate the principle of 'ghosting-out', do this simple trick; hold your thumb out vertical at arm's length - shut one eye and it's opaque - open both eyes and you can see through it. You can still see it, but you can also see through it. Now if that were the front sight base and you are looking through a red-dot sight, the same thing would happen.
Another way to remove the front sight from consideration is to use a fold-down front sight which gives you total visibility. On my older carbine this wasn't an option without a rebuild (permanent A2 flash hider) but as it turned out, it doesn't matter anyway.
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Old 05-18-2017, 01:29 PM
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I'm running 45 irons on mine. Thus far I'm happy with that setup.

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Old 05-19-2017, 08:14 AM
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I use the magpul BUIS on my personally owned rifles,but I've also repeatedly qualified expert with an M4 and a CCO and drink my that front sight has not had and deleterious effects on my marksmanship.
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:15 AM
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I use the magpul BUIS on my personally owned rifles,but I've also repeatedly qualified expert with an M4 and a CCO and drink my that front sight has not had and deleterious effects on my marksmanship.


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Old 05-19-2017, 03:57 PM
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No issues with the front sight post on any of my AR's.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:59 PM
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The M4 has a fixed front sight post/gas block, therefore it is always in your sight picture through the CCO (close combat optic). It takes no getting used to.

Amusingly enough, I remember in my old guard unit when I was a marksmanship coach, our headquarters company finally replaced their M16A2s with brand new carbines with brand new ACOGs and Aimpoints, and not only did they fail to bring batteries, but a few of them thought that they were meant to line up the front sight in the center of their optic (they went up without batteries remember) and that was how they were meant to "aim" their rifles. I'm glad I own and take a few front sight post tools with me because I sure wasn't giving some pogue my CCO battery, and they were also largely unaware of the fact that the rear sight flipped up. This is not of course an indictment of those soldiers, but more or less of their chain of command. PMI (Primary Marksmanship Instruction), was not just wanting it was lacking entirely at the unit level.
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:34 PM
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The M4 has a fixed front sight post/gas block, therefore it is always in your sight picture through the CCO (close combat optic). It takes no getting used to.



Amusingly enough, I remember in my old guard unit when I was a marksmanship coach, our headquarters company finally replaced their M16A2s with brand new carbines with brand new ACOGs and Aimpoints, and not only did they fail to bring batteries, but a few of them thought that they were meant to line up the front sight in the center of their optic (they went up without batteries remember) and that was how they were meant to "aim" their rifles. I'm glad I own and take a few front sight post tools with me because I sure wasn't giving some pogue my CCO battery, and they were also largely unaware of the fact that the rear sight flipped up. This is not of course an indictment of those soldiers, but more or less of their chain of command. PMI (Primary Marksmanship Instruction), was not just wanting it was lacking entirely at the unit level.


Not referring to terminology, look at your post carefully


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Old 05-20-2017, 06:49 AM
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I use flip up and the sights when up are in the lower third of the optics view were they should be if needed . When using a dot optic I can live with it ether way but I simply don't shoot open sights often so I used folders on my AR . If open sights were all I could use I move to a receiver type rear and globe front if open sights were my only option .

Kodadek If your the marksmanship coach seem like you would be sure everyone was up to speed with what was needed for the optics to function properly even to the point of getting your early and proofing the way it was set up to run . Then proper instructions can be given before range time and sight adjust started so the units were up to speed !! Can't point blame at the units members when every one above them screwed up but then new products to the field do tend to cause some issues .

Sort of a non issues at this point ??
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Old 05-20-2017, 08:00 AM
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It never bothered me but I switched to a full length rail for more real estate so I got rid of my front sight post. I have yet to purchase a replacement to mount on the rail. My rifle is just used for plinking so if for some reason the scope broke I'd just stop plinking with it. Once I zoomed in a little it would disappear anyway. And at 1x it never got in the way. It's whatever you get use to...
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Old 05-20-2017, 08:31 AM
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My SR-15 E3 came with flip up front and rear sights. I'm not sure they flip up anymore since I mounted an Aimpoint Comp M4 out at the end of the receiver rail. The singe AA battery gets changed once a year and the sight is always ON.
I love this thing, the bullet will hit somewhere pretty close to the dot on out to 250 yards or so. It is right on the center of the dot at 35 yards. No matter where in the tube the dot appears. I'm pretty carful about how I mount the gun, coming from years and years of shooting both scoped rifles and shotguns in skeet and trap as well as plinking at sparrows, squirrels, empty beer cans and the like all my life.
It is also possible to use it for a precision sight, it is just different, but the dot subtends 2 MOA so you can use it for ranging and work the edge of the dot against the edge of the bull in such fashion that 1 MOA groups or less are easily achieved from a steady rest.
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Old 05-20-2017, 10:41 AM
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I use the magpul BUIS on my personally owned rifles,but I've also repeatedly qualified expert with an M4 and a CCO and drink my that front sight has not had and deleterious effects on my marksmanship.
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I use the magpul BUIS on my personally owned rifles,but I've also repeatedly qualified expert with an M4 and a CCO and think my that front sight has not had any detrimental effects on my marksmanship.
Some of you guys need to watch what gets inputted into your so-called smart phones when you post.

Back on subject, I've learned to ignore the front sight post. I too use a Magpul BUIS and like the fact that if something happens to the optic I can just reach over with either hand and pop the rear sight up. A lot of BUIS out there require fumbling around with them to flip them up.
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Not referring to terminology, look at your post carefully


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Deleterious: from the Greek dēlētērios, "To hurt". It is synonymous with harmful, detrimental, damaging, ill effect, ruinous, and so on and so forth. To do harm, make something worse, as in "the front sight has does not hurt, hinder, or reduce my accuracy or speed with the Aimpoint or any other RDS."

I do see the drink. That was my fault and I apologize. I generally try to post via my PC.
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Old 05-22-2017, 02:45 PM
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The whole point of a red dot is to maximize field of view and speed of acquisition. Therefore I have a folding set of backups on my rifle that stay out of the way when not needed HOWEVER they are not all the intrusive at all if up.
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