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Old 05-06-2017, 10:52 AM
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Trouble feeding last round in mag

This is my 2nd dan Wesson. The 1st was a black v bob commander in 9mm. After multiple range trips I couldn't get through a mag without multiple extraction thus misfeeds. I could have sent it back but I decided to go 45 with a 1911 due to what I had read & that experience with a 9mm one. I took it back & got a black valor commander in 45. Now this one I had misfeeds on the last round every so often & after a couple of range trips the supplied mags became useless. They went in & out fine unloaded but loaded they were difficult to insert & required a hard pull to get them out while still loaded. I got a range 1911 to see if it was my gun but the same thing happened with the range 1911. I bought 2 McCormick mags & 1 Wilson no problem inserting or dropping the mags but still with the new mags occasionally the last round won't feed. I'm guessing extractor but I'm not sure. I have several hundred rounds through it so should I give it some more rounds or call DW? The way I see it they owe me 2 good mags already.
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Old 05-06-2017, 12:01 PM
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Call DW their customer service is top notch!
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Old 05-06-2017, 01:30 PM
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This is my 2nd dan Wesson. The 1st was a black v bob commander in 9mm. After multiple range trips I couldn't get through a mag without multiple extraction thus misfeeds. I could have sent it back but I decided to go 45 with a 1911 due to what I had read & that experience with a 9mm one. I took it back & got a black valor commander in 45. Now this one I had misfeeds on the last round every so often & after a couple of range trips the supplied mags became useless. They went in & out fine unloaded but loaded they were difficult to insert & required a hard pull to get them out while still loaded. I got a range 1911 to see if it was my gun but the same thing happened with the range 1911. I bought 2 McCormick mags & 1 Wilson no problem inserting or dropping the mags but still with the new mags occasionally the last round won't feed. I'm guessing extractor but I'm not sure. I have several hundred rounds through it so should I give it some more rounds or call DW? The way I see it they owe me 2 good mags already.


I would by Tripps Cobra mags, really good


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Old 05-06-2017, 07:08 PM
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I would look at the extractor and breech face first. If the extractor has sharp square corners and is roughly finished it will induce a lot of drag on the incoming round. The last round has the least amount of spring force driving it upward. I recommend extra power magazine springs in every magazine. The extractor may be adjusted too tight.
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Old 05-06-2017, 08:05 PM
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I checked the extractor it looks smooth as well as the breechface. I am going to put some rounds through it tomorrow & see what happens. By the way I clean it after every range trip & I mean CLEAN then lube generously. I hate sending a gun back but if I have to I will & let DW tweak whatever needs to be tweaked.
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Old 05-06-2017, 09:24 PM
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I had similar issues with my vbob last year. I sent it in and haven't had any mag or feed issues since. They had it back to me in about 1 week. Can't say enough great things about their customer service. Wish it was lifetime instead of 2 years though.
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Old 05-07-2017, 08:48 AM
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Wish it was lifetime instead of 2 years though.
Unless they have changed their warranty policy recently, DW's warranty is for 5 years.
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Old 05-07-2017, 04:46 PM
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Same story today at the range. On 3 of the 9 mags I put through my black valor commander it failed to pickup the 8th round. I will be trying to contact DW this week to get this gun running right. At least this one is only the 8th round problem the black vbob commander was almost every other round failures. I guess I have rotten luck.
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Old 05-07-2017, 07:52 PM
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Unless they have changed their warranty policy recently, DW's warranty is for 5 years.
That's sweet. For some reason I thought it was 2. My mistake. I'm stoked!
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Old 05-08-2017, 02:44 PM
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You didn't describe the feeding failure but I can pretty much guarantee it is a magazine issue. It sounds like the last round is jumping out of the magazine under recoil. Pretty common with the new, Hybrid, lip mags. Three things you can do. 1. Remove the follower or depress it into the mag and then squeezed the mag lips a little, to hold the round tighter. 2. Keep your wrists locked. Letting the pistol flip under recoil will cause it to have feeding problems if that last round isn't in the magazines properly. 3. purchase magazines with wadcutter lips. These do not open up as quickly as the Hybrids and hold that round a little better. The down side to these magazines is that they have a tendency to not feed HP's as well, tend to nose dive the first couple of rounds more often and generally, only hold 7 rounds.
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Old 05-08-2017, 04:41 PM
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Keith I said same on first post. 90% of time it's the Mags.
I think some Tripp Cobramags are my pick.


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Old 05-08-2017, 04:46 PM
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This happens with 2 types of mags. McCormick & Wilson. It also happened with the original mags that came with the gun until they became unusable. It's ok to take pliers & squeeze the mag lips a little without ruining the mag? I have never had mag trouble on any other guns. I have noticed like you said the round standing like it jumped out but could that be an out of adjustment extractor not engaging the rim of the round properly?

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Old 05-09-2017, 07:42 AM
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I'll second the Tripp Cobras. They work better than Wilsons in my Valor and my SA RO, however both of those are 9mms and I'm going to try some soon in my .45's.
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Old 05-09-2017, 09:56 AM
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The round is jumping out because of recoil. It has nothing with the gun. I pinch my mag lips in a bench vise but channel lock pliers would work. You just want to flex them together a little, at the top, to hold the round tighter.

Most mag companies, now use the hybrid lips.
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Old 05-09-2017, 12:13 PM
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I appreciate the suggestion but I'm not a real handy person. I spoke with Andre at DW he said send it back which I'm going to do as soon as I get the label. They owe me 2 good mags anyway. I want them to see for themselves.
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:20 PM
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Check your grip. Do you have this problem shooting one-handed? Alternatively, try firing those magazines only loaded with 2-3 rounds and see if the last round feeds. Try these, and if the problem goes away, it's probably your two handed grip slowing the slide (either or both thumbs).
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:41 PM
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You will need to include your factory magazines.
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:51 PM
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Keith I definitely will include the 2 original mags. Looking forward to getting this beautiful valor commander back running right. I want to see if it can keep up with my S&W 945pc.
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Old 05-09-2017, 05:54 PM
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I want to see if it can keep up with my S&W 945pc.
Not bloody likely, in my experience. For extreme reliability, it's hard to beat a Model 945 from Smith & Wesson. Same goes for their unappreciated 2nd and 3rd generation pistols imo.
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:53 AM
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Update the gun is on the way to DW so it can run as good as it looks. I am looking forward to getting it to the range & shoot it with confidence that all rounds will feed. To comment on my S&W 945 it looks like a 1911 but it really isn't. I has a ramped barrel & no barrel link but cams down to operate. At least I have it to shoot while my Valor is at DW.
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Old 05-19-2017, 04:59 PM
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The Model 945 is sort of a cross between a 1911 and Smith 3rd generation pistols; retaining the best features of both while losing little in the transition.
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Old 05-21-2017, 05:00 AM
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Old 05-21-2017, 05:04 AM
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re non-feeding of the last {8th } round in my .45 a.c.p. Valor

A while ago I got fed up with failures to feed the last, the 8th, round in the magazine. A problem which manifests itself more frequently when using +P ammo, since the slide velocity is increased due to the extra power of the +P ctg., which has the slide moving more briskly to the rear, and {using a recoil spring suitable for the +P ammo} -- which also has the slide’s return to battery happening faster, thereby increasing any tendency to fail to feed the 8th round.

Since I do not carry a 1911, and using primarily Wilson 47D mags, I installed the Tripp Research magazine 'kit' in a couple of my 1911 {.45} 47D mags. That solved the problem.

That kit supplies a new mag spring, which is longer, stronger and has everything feeding beautifully. ... The downside is a supposed 8 round Wilson mag. is now a 7 round mag. and I can live with that for the sake of reliability. There is a second part to those kits -- a new follower. The new follower resembles the Wilson follower; however, it has a stainless-steel insert in the place where the follower impinges on the slide release, rather than be relying on the all polymer Wilson follower. Note > Wilson 47D mags in 7 round guise have two differences from the 8 round versions: a convex follower top, vs. the 8 round mags' concave top of the follower ... the same mag spring is used, and the same problem is present {failure to feed the last round}. I also noticed the 7 round 47D’s do not have the witness hole showing whether an 8th round is present, which is there in the Wilson 8 round 47D mags.

Summary -- if any of my 1911 mags were failing, even once, to load the last, 8th, , round in a .45 mag., I installed the Tripp mag. kit. ... Eventually I did all { approx. 30 mag.'s} my 47D magazines that way. The cost is approx. $8 per kit, and savings on the shipping expenses can be had in buying multiple kits.

Possibly a heavy duty {stronger} mag spring from Wolff Springs might solve the problem, keeping capacity at 8 rounds. However, since I do not carry my 1911's, I'm satisfied that I can fix the problem 100%, with Tripp's kit, whose cost is approx. the same as a new mag. spring from Wolff. I am not concerned re the loss of 1 round capacity to make my Wilson 47D mags 100% reliable.

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Old 05-21-2017, 06:26 AM
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Don1229 your post is interesting. I shooting regular factory loads 230 g of S&B PMC Fiochhi & Perfecta. I have tried the factory mags (which became useless) McCormick & Wilson 8 round mags that all at one time or another had the problem. It's obits way back now to see if DW can fix it.
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Old 05-21-2017, 07:05 AM
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Wondering why you would send the gun back for a mag issue. Do you want DW to tune your mags for you?

This is a tool I made to tune mags. You learn real quick how when you are dealing with HiStandard mags.

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