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Old 03-09-2017, 07:28 AM
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1948 Canadian Lightweight Hi Power

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Found this while reading the net this morning, interesting, thoughtI would share if this has not been here before.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...amed-browning/

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Old 03-09-2017, 08:04 AM
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Interesting.
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Old 03-09-2017, 08:49 AM
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Very interesting, never seen one before, I like it!!
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Old 03-09-2017, 12:47 PM
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Inglis made a few for testing. The project never went into production.
Either the Stevens or Vanderlinden book shows some after being subjected to corrosion testing and they were essentially destroyed.

One of the reasons that the postwar Inglis Hi Powers never went anywhere was that their production license from FN was for the duration of the war only. Inglis wanted to continue Hi Power production post war, but FN strenuously objected.

I suspect that any lightweight prototypes that got into private collections (if any) are worth big bucks.

I like the fully checkered grips without the borders. Maybe Craig Spegel's grandad?
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Old 03-10-2017, 07:13 AM
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In looking at the design, wouldn't the relief at the topstrap of slide right behind the chamber running back to the rear sight, weaken the slide if there was some sort of ammo blowup?
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Old 03-10-2017, 08:11 AM
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In looking at the design, wouldn't the relief at the topstrap of slide right behind the chamber running back to the rear sight, weaken the slide if there was some sort of ammo blowup?
Just a guess, but that the depressed area in the photo is where the tangent sights were located on the early models. For sure the ears were removed - maybe a little more metal. But since the breach is locked during firing, that rear area doesn't take much stress. Looking at the amount of metal taken off that slide sure speaks well of it's inherent strength. beautiful workmanship, would make that slide a lot more expensive in production. I imagine the weight savings didn't warrant the extra expense to the military.
Speaking for myself, I don't find the HP to be uncomfortably heavy or awkward to shoot. I wouldn't pay extra to own one of the alloy frame models - having been unimpressed shooting alloy frame pistols.
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Old 03-11-2017, 12:14 AM
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Looks too Canadian to me.

Were they trying to make it light by using aluminum or by using a cut-out design?
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Old 03-11-2017, 12:19 AM
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Were they trying to make it light by using aluminum or by using a cut-out design?
Both. Frame was aluminium.
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Old 03-11-2017, 12:24 AM
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Both. Frame was aluminium.
Herr Burgs, I was just joshin'.

I can see that I'm going to have to work on my material.

Kidding aside, it's pretty ugly for a production gun, but maybe not for a prototype.
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Old 03-11-2017, 01:53 AM
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I believe the rear sight doubles as a bottle opener.
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Old 03-11-2017, 05:53 AM
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I think a lightweight with a shorter slide way get me in the buyer's market for a high power. Knowing little, why is the not a "Commander" sized hi Powe?
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Old 03-11-2017, 11:20 AM
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I believe the rear sight doubles as a bottle opener.
That would be consistent with Canadians' love of all things beer.
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Old 03-11-2017, 05:29 PM
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I think a lightweight with a shorter slide way get me in the buyer's market for a high power. Knowing little, why is the not a "Commander" sized hi Powe?



There is a Commander sized HP.....just not made by FN/Browning. They were made/imported by FM in Argentina, and were called the Detective model.....Model 90 and the later Model 95. They do not have a lightweight frame.
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Old 03-11-2017, 05:37 PM
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They look kinda like this...

They weight the same as a full size forged frame Hi Power though.
No weight savings at all.
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Old 03-12-2017, 01:47 AM
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That would be consistent with Canadians' love of all things beer.
A guy who says he needs a bottle opener to get the cap off a beer bottle is not a Canadian.
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Old 03-12-2017, 03:00 AM
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A guy who says he needs a bottle opener to get the cap off a beer bottle is not a Canadian.
It must've been designed for export.
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Old 03-12-2017, 04:39 AM
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There is a Commander sized HP.....just not made by FN/Browning. They were made/imported by FM in Argentina, and were called the Detective model.....Model 90 and the later Model 94. They do not have a lightweight frame.
Holy crap. That's sweet. I want to handle one. Sounds like finding one might be challenging. Thanks.
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Old 03-12-2017, 04:41 AM
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They look kinda like this...

They weight the same as a full size forged frame Hi Power though.
No weight savings at all.
To my eyes, that looks really slick. I wonder where the weight savings ends up? Is the frame thicker? Heavier slide or barrel?

Just curious. I do not know much about the hi power.
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Old 03-12-2017, 05:21 AM
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The FM Detective has a straight side like the 1911 and lacks the tapered Hi Power cut at the front of the slide. So, although the Browning Hi Power's slide is longer, it's also thinner.
Compared with my Browning 69C, the FM Detective 95 weighs exactly the same as its larger cousin.
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The FM Detective has a straight side like the 1911 and lacks the tapered Hi Power cut at the front of the slide. So, although the Browning Hi Power's slide is longer, it's also thinner.
Compared with my Browning 69C, the FM Detective 95 weighs exactly the same as its larger cousin.
Ahhh. I can see that now from the pic. I wonder why? I'm not sure muzzle flip is a big issue for a 9mm. Thanks.
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Old 03-12-2017, 08:51 AM
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A guy who says he needs a bottle opener to get the cap off a beer bottle is not a Canadian, eh.

You forgot to end the sentence correctly, eh.
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Old 03-12-2017, 01:02 PM
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Ahhh. I can see that now from the pic. I wonder why? I'm not sure muzzle flip is a big issue for a 9mm. Thanks.
FM made Hi Power's under license from FN for 20 years, from 1069 to 1989.
These were exact copies of FN produced Hi Powers.

In 1990 FM began production of their own version of the Hi Power, since the license and FN's patents had expired. These various FM versions of the Hi Power have flat, 1911 styled slides without the Hi Power cuts at the front.
Ditto the Detective versions.

By way of illustration, here's a photo of a full sized "FM 95 Classic" Hi Power from the internet...
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Old 03-12-2017, 02:56 PM
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I mounted a Detective slide assembly on a Belgian built alloy HP frame... it is very pleasant to shoot and carry.

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The FM Detective has a straight side like the 1911 and lacks the tapered Hi Power cut at the front of the slide. So, although the Browning Hi Power's slide is longer, it's also thinner.
Compared with my Browning 69C, the FM Detective 95 weighs exactly the same as its larger cousin.
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Old 03-12-2017, 03:01 PM
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At 4.685" long the "full size" Hi Power barrel isn't much bigger than a Commander to begin with.
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Old 03-12-2017, 03:29 PM
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I had no idea the Canadians made alloy frames too. I thought only the Austrian Border Patrol ever had alloy frames. My dream has always been to get one of these alloy frames and mate it with my FM Detective slide to have a really nice carry piece.

Here is an album of one of my FM Detectives. http://imgur.com/a/4ptEU
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