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Old 03-14-2015, 08:08 AM
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Why does Taurus have a bad reputation

I'll be honest, right off, I don't have a Taurus 1911. I have looked at them a gun shows and haven't found any problems with them. I already have a 1911, so I haven't bought one. They seem tight and I couldn't find any stress risers.

I picked up an older model G2 millennium new at a gun show a few months ago for about $200...cheaper, by far, than an other gun in it's class.

I had read about numerous problems with every Taurus gun, so even at that price, I hesitated. I figured how bad can it be though.

Holy crap, I've fired about 500 rounds through it so far. It has eaten everything I've thrown at it. Even with the small frame, the muzzle flip isn't much more than my xdm 4.5. The sights are excellent and adjustable. It's the only gun I have now that I don't need glasses to line up the sights well.

I realize that this is a datapoint of 1, but if there is a problem gun, my luck allows me to end up with it.

I'm blown away with this thing, especially for the price. Maybe it will fly apart at 552 rounds, I can't say. But looking at the manufacturing, the fit, the operation, even the magazines, I just can't understand the reputation of this gun or Taurus in general.
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Old 03-14-2015, 08:23 AM
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So so quality, indifferent customer service, based on personal experience.
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Old 03-14-2015, 11:04 AM
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Go to almost any forum and you will find a lot more problems than you do on a Taurus site and some of those cost 100's more. Now I'm not saying all guns are perfect or all companies, but some get an unearned pass I could not find a 1911 within 300 bucks of my PT1911 in my neighborhood that had the same features. I am not about to spend an enormous sum of money on something that could be stolen from my truck.
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Old 03-14-2015, 11:20 AM
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I owned one, glad I don't have it now, wouldn't shoot 100 in a row no matter what. Worse than that, we sold them at a place I worked for a few years. We returned more Taurii than all other brands put together. You have about a 50/50 chance of getting a good one. The good ones work fine.
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Old 03-14-2015, 11:25 AM
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Not trying to bash them but I have honestly never handled a taurus 1911 that was fitted well.....
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Old 03-14-2015, 11:04 PM
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I work in a LGS that sells them. Hit or miss quality, customer service leaves a lot to be desired.
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Old 03-15-2015, 02:11 AM
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Don't own a Taurus 1911. Like other 1911's, there are mixed reviews.
But do own a Model 850 revolver.

After maybe 300 rounds downrange, the cylinder timing was off. Sent it back to Taurus.
Got it back 3 weeks later. Timing issue fixed & forcing cone was reamed. Now it's operating just fine.

My only complaint is that I had to pay Taurus $50 for a shipping label.
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Old 03-15-2015, 06:51 AM
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Taurus is the biggest gun manufacturer in the world of firearms therefore it seems they have more returned firearms to be repaired. When actually they really don't have anymore returnes than most other manufactures. Plus a lot of people like to bash them. I have 2 only one had to be returned for a broken extractor and it was only gone just about 2 weeks and no charge for the trip to Miami. No problems with either, they both shoot as good or better then any other brand revolver or 1911, I wouldn't hesitate to buy another taurus just my opinion
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Old 03-15-2015, 07:15 AM
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my contact with Taurus firearms are three PT1911s...all three have been great...do they compare finish wise to more expensive pistols I own???...Nope...do they run as a pistol should run???...Yup...

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Old 03-15-2015, 07:48 AM
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I agree finish could be better, function is just as good as any 1911 I fired. A gun is only as accurate as the shooter is.
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Old 03-15-2015, 08:04 AM
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Taurus is just like RIA and the other entry levels...

They are, by their own choosing, catering to the entry level markets for value based firearms...

It's hard to expect high end fit and finish, etc from companies like this for what they charge...

Like many things in life, you get what you pay for...If you want WC, NH, etc finish and service, it comes at a price...
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Old 03-17-2015, 06:28 PM
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It seems Taurus bashing is like a train in motion. It got started & it can't be stopped. I'd bet a lot of the bashers have never actually owned a Taurus firearm. But find it 'safe' to add a negative post wherever a bash fest is going on. I've owned the following Taurus firearms ( at least these are the ones I recall )

PT99- Never a problem
Model 94 2"- Never a problem
Model 94 5"- Refused at FFL due to no cylinder lockup. Replaced & no problem since
Model 605- Bought used with known problem-returned to Taurus for repair & 6 weeks later returned. Since then zero problems.
PT1911 blue- Never a problem
PT1911 Duo Tone- Never a problem
24/7 OSS 9mm blue- Never a problem
24/7 OSS 9mm SS- Never a problem
24/7 OSS 45 ACP- Never a problem
PT92- Never a problem
PT945- Never a problem

I did have a Beretta Bobcat 22LR. POS. Never ran a full mag through it without a jam. Returned to Beretta for repair. Came back with same problem. My $50 Jennings 22L was more reliable.

Springfield Armory 1911 GI. Another POS. Also could not empty a magazine without a jam.

Every maker has their problems. But as one poster said ( and I'll probably not get this completely correct ). If an inexpensive gun is giving you problems, it's a POS. But if a high dollar firearm is giving you problems, it just needs to be broken in.

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Old 03-17-2015, 08:48 PM
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Taurus is just like RIA and the other entry levels...

They are, by their own choosing, catering to the entry level markets for value based firearms...

It's hard to expect high end fit and finish, etc from companies like this for what they charge...

Like many things in life, you get what you pay for...If you want WC, NH, etc finish and service, it comes at a price...
Quoting from someone on another brands forum"is this piece of junk what I get for $800?" I read a bunch of forums and except for one or two brands, people moan and groan about every 1911 under a grand and that includes Colts. Just read some of them. It is hilarious.
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Old 03-19-2015, 06:42 AM
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By the way, there are about 10 on going threads about gun issues as we type. Most are higher priced guns.
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Old 03-19-2015, 06:51 AM
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One thing that brings down the trust of one weapons manufacturer than another is the novice gun owner. When you purchase a first gun you have to look beyond hype, coolness, and peer pressure. Buying a weapon because you see it on tv or video game, is the wrong reason. Has this person ever shot a gun before, because you are a master sniper world of war or whatever the game is called doesn't make you an expert. Then buying and shooting it you find the recoil is more than you figured, or the weight is a lot more than your game controller, and you can't hit the broad side of a barn. Now your $1000 investment sits in the closet and bitch about it. This reminds me of the motorcycle craze a decade ago, everyone had to buy an overpriced Harley, against their wife's wishes, and they didn't know how to ride it. Then they took it out and it scared the hell out of them and now it sits in the corner of the garage and the wife bitches for you to get rid of it. In both cases it comes down to try it before you buy it and find out what you are comfortable with.

For me my first pistol was the 1911 mainly because it is what we used when I was in the Army and it was what I was used to and comfortable with. I am not familiar with the Taurus rendition of the 1911 but it was one of the makes I was seriously looking at so my belief when you hear bad things about a gun look at the person complaining, do they even know what they are talking about.
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Old 03-19-2015, 06:55 AM
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I had a PT58S for a while. I sold it to a friend since he needed a gun and I wanted to cut .380 out of my collection.

It ran like a top and was a pretty nice gun. My 1 Taurus doesn't mean a lot, but that was a good gun.
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Old 03-19-2015, 08:05 AM
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I helped my shooting buddy get into 1911's. At first money was tight, so he bought a PT1911. It made two trips back to Taurus before it ran right.

Since then, he's added a Colt and 2 Springer 1911's to his stable.

The PT1911 shoots ragged holes all day long.

From what I've read, it seems to be a crap shoot with what you get.

Some work right out of the box-----some don't.
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Old 03-19-2015, 08:13 AM
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My PT1911 didn't give me any issue other than finding a holster that could fit that ginormous rail.. it was a beater/shooter, reliable and I definitely didn't mind scratches on it.
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Old 03-19-2015, 08:16 AM
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Have a PT945 that I bought about 20 years ago. There is (or was) a publication at the time that I subscribed to called Gun Tests. There was no advertising whatsoever in the magazine,so they didn't have to sugar coat an advertiser's review of a firearm. Typically they would take 3 similar firearms and rate them on reliability, accuracy and price. When they reviewed the 945 ,what stood out to me were the words " Fed and fired flawlessly " . Since that was what I was looking for in my first defensive pistol I bought it. Has been accurate and utterly reliable. Lives on my dresser with a belly full of Gold Dots.
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Old 03-19-2015, 10:33 AM
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I helped my shooting buddy get into 1911's. At first money was tight, so he bought a PT1911. It made two trips back to Taurus before it ran right.

Since then, he's added a Colt and 2 Springer 1911's to his stable.

The PT1911 shoots ragged holes all day long.

From what I've read, it seems to be a crap shoot with what you get.

Some work right out of the box-----some don't.
And this is how it starts. "I know a guy that has a problem". Followed by, "I know a guy that knows a guy..." and "I read about a guy..." Funny how these stories don't happen with high dollar firearms, yet if you look around you will find that they have the same occasional issues reported by actual owners.
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Old 03-19-2015, 11:57 AM
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I agree finish could be better, function is just as good as any 1911 I fired. A gun is only as accurate as the shooter is.
Not completely true, if the gun won't lock up consistently it won't matter how good you are.
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Old 03-19-2015, 07:11 PM
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My 92 and 99 shoot as well or better than some associates Beretta's....my PT1911 shoots as well as most Colt's. None of the three have ever had to go in for service,but like cars I guess you can always get a lemon.
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Old 03-19-2015, 07:23 PM
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Simple reason could be at one point they made some crap at one point.

The quality has gotten much better. Especially their Beretta 92 copy and 1911 models. I know some people like their revolvers and some dont.

I have not heard many fans of their polymer pistols, but I guess there are a few.

Me personally i would pay the extra to get something else. I have a beretta 92 copy by Taurus. it is a really good gun, but I only bought it because it was like $300 and came with like 10 mags.
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Old 03-19-2015, 07:47 PM
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Taurus is the biggest gun manufacturer in the world of firearms therefore it seems they have more returned firearms to be repaired. When actually they really don't have anymore returnes than most other manufactures. Plus a lot of people like to bash them. I have 2 only one had to be returned for a broken extractor and it was only gone just about 2 weeks and no charge for the trip to Miami. No problems with either, they both shoot as good or better then any other brand revolver or 1911, I wouldn't hesitate to buy another taurus just my opinion
Doesn't that honor belong to CZ?
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Old 03-20-2015, 06:24 AM
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Hard to say.Taurus is up there,

If you break it down by country, Brazil exported more firearms, by a wide margin, to the U.S. than any other country. See page 20 in the report below.

http://www.atf.gov/publications/fire...merce-2011.pdf

At about 740,000, firearm imports from Brazil actually make up over a quarter of the TOTAL firearms imported to the U.S. in 2010. There are at least 3 companies represented in that figure.

Austria's next in line with 15% of the total and Italy and Germany are 3rd and 4th with about 10% and 9% respectively. Croatia comes in 5th with about 8%.

What's interesting about Croatia is that ALL of the imported firearms from there are handguns. I'm betting that they're all headed to Springfield Armory for rebadging as XD pistols.

Austria's firearms imports are nearly all pistols as well.

At any rate, those five countries, together, make up almost 70% of all firearms imported to the U.S.

For comparison, firearms imports in 2010 were about 3 million. Domestic manufacturers make between 3 million and 5.5 million firearms annually and only about 200,000 to 400,000 firearms are exported from the U.S. annually.

In the U.S., the largest firearms manufacturer (based on 2009 figures) is Sturm Ruger, by a runaway. At about 924,000 firearms in 2009, they made about a sixth (17%) of the domestically manufactured firearms in the U.S. that year.

S&W and Remington were virtually tied for second at about 612,000 each with Maverick in fourth at about 425,000 and Marlin and SIG not far apart in fifth (269,000) and sixth (256,000) respectively
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