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Old 03-22-2019, 12:06 PM
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loaded handgun "prop" kills Justin Carter

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/justi...b057f733095880
His mother states that a gun in his pocket "went off and caught my son in the corner of his eye"
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Old 03-22-2019, 12:21 PM
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Basic gun safety practices could have prevented this.
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Old 03-22-2019, 12:34 PM
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“prop” is right

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His mother states that a gun in his pocket "went off and caught my son in the corner of his eye"
Prayers for the family. Cannot imagine what the mother is experiencing ... wife and children, unfortunately, I can.

Movie and stage properties -do- sometimes use real firearms where a mock-up will not serve: but, according to a college buddy who does SFX in Hollywood (-not- himself a “weapons master”), there’s a dim view of a weapons master, or any prop master, who allows something like this. Too little detail in the story to know if it was -really- on the set -as- a prop: reads more like a straight N.D. fatality.
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Old 03-22-2019, 12:46 PM
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Why did he take a prop home? If it was only a prop, why was it loaded with anything while not on the set of the video?

I second the straight ND.
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Old 03-22-2019, 12:59 PM
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His mother states that a gun in his pocket "went off and caught my son in the corner of his eye"
Keep your booger hook off the bang switch.

Of course the only person that actually knows why it fired is dead.
It prevents him from making that mistake again.
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Old 03-22-2019, 01:12 PM
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I believe Steven Seagal, who used quite a few 1911s
in him films such as Under Siege, Siege2 said none of
the guns were personally his.

And the on-set armorers kept strict control of them
until he was ready to use them in a scene.

In the past some actors thought that blank firing
pistols/revolvers were safe but of course they are
not.

Nowadays Hollywood uses a lot of replicas that
produce a harmless flash but do not rely on
blanks.
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Old 03-22-2019, 01:56 PM
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This sounds more like a suicide than an accident.

They often change these stories to spare the family the pain that a love one took their own life, and it is easier to believe that it was accidental.

But really? How does a full grown man point the barrel towards his head and pull the trigger if it was not intentional. Surely, he has handled guns before. I can fully understand a child curious and unfamiliar with how to properly handle a gun, but an adult, especially a country singer?
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Old 03-22-2019, 02:25 PM
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OK, maybe I can see blanks on a set. Why in the world would there ever be a live round anywhere near that place. They oughtta keel haul the moron that brought them there. Unless, of course this was a planned suicide!
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Old 03-22-2019, 03:52 PM
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According to this MSN article it was in his pocket and he was shooting a music video when it went off and struck him in the corner of an eye. However none of that makes any sense to me. If it's in your pocket how do you shoot yourself in the face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news...ing/ar-BBV49Vx
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Old 03-22-2019, 03:56 PM
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Prayers for the family. Cannot imagine what the mother is experiencing ... wife and children, unfortunately, I can.

Movie and stage properties -do- sometimes use real firearms where a mock-up will not serve: but, according to a college buddy who does SFX in Hollywood (-not- himself a “weapons master”), there’s a dim view of a weapons master, or any prop master, who allows something like this. Too little detail in the story to know if it was -really- on the set -as- a prop: reads more like a straight N.D. fatality.
I agree,
The way I read this, this was not a prop at all. Sounds like he brought someones real gun to use for the video, as a "prop" but this was not under the care or auspices of any actual properties personnel. The music video business is not akin to TV or film industry. I don't think any of the comparisons in this thread to the film industry apply. It's just not the same. Sure there are very hi end groups making music video, perhaps with skilled union labor, but then there are the Musician and his buddies making them too.

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Old 03-22-2019, 04:17 PM
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I agree,
The way I read this, this was not a prop at all. Sounds like he brought someones real gun to use for the video, as a "prop" but this was not under the care or auspices of any actual properties personnel.
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The music video business is not akin to TV or film industry. I don't think any of the comparisons in this thread to the film industry apply. It's just not the same. Sure there are very hi end groups making music video, perhaps with skilled union labor, but then there are the Musician and his buddies making them too.
Duh ... should have realized: *I*’ve made promotional music videos with my son*: paid “in kind” by the production company offering to make demo videos for my son.


*- promos featuring my son and his band, but -not- myself, are still getting play. He’s gifted ... I work hard at it.
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Old 03-22-2019, 04:49 PM
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Sad! Pretty sure Jack Bauer used a real H&K.
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Old 03-22-2019, 05:05 PM
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I believe Steven Seagal, who used quite a few 1911s
in him films such as Under Siege, Siege2 said none of
the guns were personally his.

And the on-set armorers kept strict control of them
until he was ready to use them in a scene.
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Sad! Pretty sure Jack Bauer used a real H&K.
this is sad indeed. I'll be curious to read more as info comes out.

There is no question that "real" firearms do get used in the film industry. That said, just as UncleEd mentions, they would be under the constant control of an armorer, a specific properties specialist.
There would NOT be any live ammo anywhere near the set!

There are a number of levels of difference between "prop" and real firearms, up to and including the real thing.

Many of the "featured" props will start life as the real things, and then be converted to "props" where they can no longer ever be fired, or made to funtion with blanks only. I can drop an 8mm blank fiing barrel and swap some springs in any 1911 derivative and it will look and sound liek the real thing (well not as loud as .45)

There may be several versions of a "featured" prop, for example Railand Givens' Glock, for different kinds of scenes, some totally inert and incapable of any function, no moving parts, one could be just a handle sticking out of a holster,. etc. and then he'd need the one with a rack-able slide, which might be a conversion from the real deal.

Another example would be a line of soldiers and an angry gunny dressing down an enlistee in boot camp,. only the poor sod the gunny is berating will have a rifle capable of actually doing something like having it's action operated, the rest might be solid resin, or even wood.

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Old 03-22-2019, 05:11 PM
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... *I*’ve made promotional music videos with my son*: paid “in kind” by the production company offering to make demo videos for my son.

Case in point, and some of the best videos are made this way!


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*- promos featuring my son and his band, but -not- myself, are still getting play. He’s gifted ... I work hard at it.
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Old 03-22-2019, 05:12 PM
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His mother states that a gun in his pocket "went off and caught my son in the corner of his eye"
Did he have it in the pocket of his hat?
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According to this MSN article it was in his pocket and he was shooting a music video when it went off and struck him in the corner of an eye. However none of that makes any sense to me. If it's in your pocket how do you shoot yourself in the face?
He had it in the pocket of his hat?

He stood on a stool?

It happened while his back was turned?

He was doing his yoga when it went off?
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Old 03-22-2019, 05:54 PM
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Seems really odd to me.
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Old 03-22-2019, 06:09 PM
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It seems odd because as usual the news media isn't giving us any details. It's possible it may have been in his coat pocket, and while he had his hand in there he reached up to scratch his temple. At least that's a scenario that would make sense. A lot of people carry guns in their pockets with no holster of any kind, and with all the short triggers on pocket guns these days that spells trouble.
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Old 03-22-2019, 07:03 PM
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I carry a .380 in my front pocket all the time (in a holster.) If it went off in my pocket and hit me in the eye I would have to have been contorting to tie my shoe with my head down between my thighs. Don't see how it could have happened. I bet more, better, different, info will be forthcoming.
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Old 03-22-2019, 09:14 PM
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If it's in your pocket how do you shoot yourself in the face?
I'll take pocketed without holster turning upside down hit the trigger unintentionally for $400, Alex..
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Old 03-22-2019, 09:16 PM
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*- promos featuring my son and his band, but -not- myself, are still getting play. He’s gifted ... I work hard at it.
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They keep a’ showin my hands, but not my face, on TV!

Do you look like Waylon Jennings?😂😂
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Old 03-22-2019, 09:24 PM
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1. The incident happened in his apartment while he was filming a music video.

2. The gun was supposed to be used as a prop in the video. Why it was loaded and in his pocket is the big question here.

3. Apparently his music mixed classic country with a bit of hip-hop. That being said he probably was doing some physical exertions like a rap star often does. I suspect the hip-hop aspect might have explained what he was doing featuring a handgun in his music video to begin with.
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Old 03-22-2019, 09:45 PM
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They keep a’ showin my hands, but not my face, on TV!

Do you look like Waylon Jennings?😂😂
Just heard that song getting ready for work yesterday morning. It always makes me grin.
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Old 03-23-2019, 12:00 AM
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I saw this story right away, but when I read through the scant details, I had many questions and no answers.

A real gun "going off" in a pocket (unholstered, presumably?) brings to mind Plaxico Burress.

But a prop gun that was also real, functional, and loaded? Doesn't make sense, to me at least.

Obviously many violations of basic firearms handling rules, but difficult to ascertain anything precise from early media accounts.

Still ... a tragedy. But pushback should be applied to those who might wish to lay the blame on 2A rights. And those types do exist...leftist Dems.
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Regardless as to what/how happened.
There is a Wife, Children, Parents, ans other family members mourning him.

My thoughts and prayers are with them..

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