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Old 05-21-2020, 05:11 PM
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Roll marks rolls

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...ie-collection/

A blog post about a collection of rolls for roll marks. I knew a guy that had a few of them years ago, they're interesting to see.
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Old 05-21-2020, 06:01 PM
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Cool article, but get a load of the auction selling prices of those roll dies.
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Old 05-21-2020, 07:17 PM
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Cool article, but get a load of the auction selling prices of those roll dies.
Definitely one of those cases of how your disposable income for knickknacks is scalable, eh?
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Old 05-21-2020, 07:43 PM
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I hate to say it, but the only people who would pay that much for a Colt roll die is if they intend to put it back to use, if you know what I mean.
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Old 05-21-2020, 07:47 PM
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I can see it. All Colt's items are collectable, and where are you going to get another one of these? I've also noticed that many serious Colt collectors aren't hurting for pocket money - more power to them.

It is very interesting to notice the specific growth of collectibility in the AR-15 area, both here and overseas. I should have paid more attention when they gave me one in basic training in 1970. :-)
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Old 05-21-2020, 11:32 PM
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There are currently quite a few Model O 1911 related roll dies for sale on eBay. starting bid $175 each. Only a couple of bidders interested so far.
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Old 05-22-2020, 08:25 AM
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The thing is, just the die doesn't do it - you would need the heavy-duty press that forces the marking into the hardened steel slide - as well as the insert to support the slide. Probably all those dies have at least one broken or bad character on them.
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Old 05-22-2020, 10:06 AM
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These are M16A1 dies. I can see somebody making fake lowers then trying to get them registered as machine guns. That being said, I'm not sure how gullible ATF is.
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Old 05-22-2020, 11:40 AM
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That's different. You'd still need a set-up but you'd be dealing with much lower tonnage on the press. I think the main thing for these is for guys who want semi-auto military clones or those who manufacture them. I'm sure somebody making an illegal MG won't bother to put a U.S. roll mark on it and I believe the ATF doesn't care what you call it as long as it is semi-auto only.
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Old 05-22-2020, 03:41 PM
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I hate to say it, but the only people who would pay that much for a Colt roll die is if they intend to put it back to use, if you know what I mean.
I doubt it, really. It'd be much easier to just reverse engineer the rollmarks I'd think, rather than buy these at auction and then get the machinery to use them.

Unless of course, the person had no clue what they're doing. Though, I guess I don't either, but still!

I think it's just someone with plenty of disposable income to toss away on trinkets of interest.
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Old 05-22-2020, 04:06 PM
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Those have been de-milled.
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Old 05-22-2020, 09:57 PM
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Those have been de-milled.
What's the giveaway? The step on the side of each one? I wasn't sure they were supposed to look like that so I withheld comment.
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The rollmarks on my last two (and I mean last) were so uneven it looked like someone took a stamp and mallet.
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Old 05-24-2020, 12:12 AM
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Now what about the casts used to make these dies?
Are those for collecting as well?
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Old 05-24-2020, 10:57 AM
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What's the giveaway? The step on the side of each one? I wasn't sure they were supposed to look like that so I withheld comment.
Yes, the step on the side. A roll die that's able to be used is a full cylinder.
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