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Old 04-15-2020, 01:46 AM
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1911 Trail Gun design

I have carried my full sized .45 Kimber while hiking since 2005. I have carried it on my waste and currently in an Hill People Gear Heavy chest pack. I have also rotated my Dan wesson vbob 9mm and Valor.

I have only drawn my 1991 once after running into a black bear and cub on the Rogue River. Today I just started day dreaming about having a lighter 1911 with me. Help me design the best trail gun for hiking.

Thinking a Alloy frame commander. .38 Super, bob tail. Or .45 Super. the priority being light weight, smaller with lite fast bullets.
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Old 04-15-2020, 07:40 AM
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How about a Dan Wesson Vigil Govt. Model (They have an alloy frame) in .45ACP (or 10mm if they make one?).
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Old 04-15-2020, 11:14 AM
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Are "Lite, fast bullets" what you want for bear? And is a 1911 the best choice anyhow?

--------- I'm no expert, but I think a relatively light Big Bore revolver, would be the ticket.
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Old 04-15-2020, 11:45 AM
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Smith and Wesson figured it out a long time ago.

With their Scandium alloy handguns. I carry a S&W model 329 in a chest holster out in the woods around here.
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Old 04-15-2020, 12:17 PM
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Here's our most recent thoughts on a woods gun.

http://www.thegunmag.com/re-evaluati...rness-handgun/
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Old 04-15-2020, 12:31 PM
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Are "Lite, fast bullets" what you want for bear? And is a 1911 the best choice anyhow?

--------- I'm no expert, but I think a relatively light Big Bore revolver, would be the ticket.
Agree 100%. The S&W Mountain Guns, in either .45Colt or .44Mag were darn near the perfect answer for this particular application!!
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Old 04-15-2020, 01:17 PM
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Agree 100%. The S&W Mountain Guns, in either .45Colt or .44Mag were darn near the perfect answer for this particular application!!
Fully agree; that is 'til your wrists and elbows go south. We were partial to 5" Model 29s loaded with 300gr LBTs for quite lot of years but man the recoil was tough on you. These days I'll take my chances with the 10mm. The good news is that we have a better chance of being mugged here in the Alleghenies (not very likely) than we do of ever defending ourselves against big critters here or out west. We are thankful for that, but prepared none the less.

Good luck to you dream45 with your decision.
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Old 04-15-2020, 02:42 PM
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Here you go, an ideal bear gun ( if there is such a thing ):

https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search...uger%20alaskan

Click on the above. I can't imagine anyone beating one of these. It's in several calibers but I would get the .44 Magnum.
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Old 04-15-2020, 03:11 PM
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Thanks everyone for the responses and I can't wait to read the article reevaluating the woods gun. My post was late at night and maybe could have been worded better.

I am looking for light weight hiking 1911. I can't standing leaving my 1911 behind but ounces do lead to pounds. My kids are now out hiking me and I need to create every advantage. I have reduced weight in every category and now I am looking at the 1911. For the purpose of discussion I am committed to the 1911, knowing there maybe other preferences out there.

My first step will be to look for an alloy frame.
Compared to my 5" steel gun at 40.1 ounce, I can get into the 32.8 for a 5" vigil or 28.5 for guardian. So save 11.6 ounces

Ammo: I am focusing on .45 Super just because I don't want the distraction of diving into 10mm. I also have 9mm 1911 but want to focus on the .45 Super for the purpose of this discussion. I have experimented with .45 Super in a 120 grain @1600fps and 255gr @ 1050fps. My focus is more mountain lion or bad guys.

If I carried 120gr bullets in an 8 round mag, I am reducing the weight by 2.46 ounces per mag compared to carrying 255 grain. Assuming 2 mags, that is 5 ounce.

So between Alloy frame and bullets I can conserve 16 ounces or 1 lbs of weight.

Although I never pass up buying a new 1911 there maybe more cost effective ways to create a pound of weight savings.




- my carry gun is a 1911
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Old 04-15-2020, 03:31 PM
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Try the Springfield LW Loaded Operator, allows Full size Gov't carry, in a LIghter weight gun. Love mine, bought it JUST for carry. I got it even lighter by replacing 2pc guide rod, with WC GI rod/plug. Carry it with 185gr Defense loads, which ligbtens it even more. Nothing but happy with it from when I got it in October.
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Old 04-20-2020, 01:38 AM
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Glock 20

Change gears and carry a G20SF, 16 RDS of 10mm in 180/200/220 at 1100-1250 FPS. Better than any .45 round you can carry. IMHO.
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Old 04-20-2020, 09:03 AM
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You said "Heavy" chest pack. If it is indeed heavy this might be a way of reducing that weight. I bought one of these and am very happy with it. Simple design that also enables me to run the shoulder strap over my strong side shoulder because my collarbone on my weak side has been broken and straps on shoulder and chest holsters normally rub on it. I've had a Sig 938, my Guardian, and an FN FNX45 on it, with their associated holsters and it rides nicely.

I have no association with this seller other than having bought one of his adapters.



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Old 04-20-2020, 09:26 AM
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Although I never pass up buying a new 1911 there maybe more cost effective ways to create a pound of weight savings.

This topic came up on a motorcycle forum. Cutting weight would increase the performance of the motorcycle. It was determined that the easiest and cheapest way to decrease weight was to go on a diet. LOL

Just for the record, our camping gun in a 10mm.
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Old 04-20-2020, 10:22 AM
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After reading all the above, has the OP considered one option that has been mentioned......if you must have a 1911, and you want both two and four-legged predator control, then a Kimber or similar pistol in 10mm is the answer.

No self-respecting 1911 owner/lover would ever consider a (ugh) Glock for such purposes when a perfectly good 1911 platform is available, and the 10mm will certainly get the job done.

Forget the .45 Super stuff, just more stress on your gun, when the ten is built just for that use. Seems simple to me.
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Old 04-20-2020, 10:25 AM
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First choice: Ed Brown LW Kobra Carry 45acp. Carry it with +P 220 grain Hornady HST.

Second choice: Dan Wesson Guardian 45acp. Same ammo. They're both perfect for 2 legged predators also.
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Old 04-20-2020, 01:28 PM
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I laughed when I saw recoil as a reason to not carry a lightweight .44 Mag for bear.

If you must shoot an attacking bear, I doubt you or your wrists will notice recoil at all!

Blast that sucker! F the recoil.

And just load her with the lightest .44 Special rounds you can find for practice.

This is literally where the term "Loaded For Bear" comes from!
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Old 04-20-2020, 01:36 PM
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and also the term, "run like h3ll"
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Old 04-20-2020, 07:28 PM
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True that. I've mentioned here before that I once saw an article on what to do if attacked by a bear. Step #1 was:

Don't Panic

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Old 04-20-2020, 07:38 PM
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Of course. Be calm as the 1000 lb. Grizzly knocks you down and rips your guts out. Realistically speaking... I think you could discourage a Grizzly if you shot into the ground once, time permitting, and then, if he isn't buying it, shoot for effect with a 45 acp.
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Old 04-20-2020, 10:20 PM
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The OP lives in Oregon, where as far as I'm aware there are no grizzlies. Just black bear, which more often than not will run away from people rather than attack unless it's a female protecting her cubs. I hike all the time here in the PNW and carry a 9mm, as I fear two-legged predators or mountain lions far more than I do a bear. An alloy-framed lightweight Commander in .45ACP should be just fine as a hiking gun if you want to stick with a 1911.

Too often gun owners overthink their defensive needs. The house gun has to be a full-blown tactical AR with optics, lights, lasers, bipod and can opener, and three 40-round mags jungle-clipped together just in case. The hiking gun has to be a handheld bazooka, you know, just in case Tyrannosaurus Rex isn't truly extinct yet.
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Old 04-20-2020, 10:34 PM
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You are wanting a 1911 period. I suggest a Colt lightweight Commander, for a load I suggest Buffalo Bore, they offer heavy loads nearing magnum preformance. I'd use them with moderation. Or if youre a handloader you can pick a good 230gr FP or a bit heavier bullet & load your own.
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Old 04-20-2020, 11:09 PM
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remember the old saying that goes something like this:

"When you carry a pistol you cannot find one small enough. When in a gunfight you cannot find one big enough".

No idea who said it and I may have butchered it a little but you get the meaning.....
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Old 04-21-2020, 12:50 AM
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Take a look at the Kimber Ultra Carry ll 1911 .45 acp. Steel and alloy frame, 3" barrel so it will be easy to draw and get on target. 7+1 mag...and after 8 shots I'm afraid the bear has got you.
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Old 04-21-2020, 02:09 PM
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and currently in an Hill People Gear Heavy chest pack.
Iím looking for a chest rig / pack. I looked at Hillís page didnít see it. Is that an old model? got any help finding
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Old 05-08-2020, 02:58 PM
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Are "Lite, fast bullets" what you want for bear? And is a 1911 the best choice anyhow?

--------- I'm no expert, but I think a relatively light Big Bore revolver, would be the ticket.
I'll just leave some food for thought here:

Paul harrel - 10mm vs .45

Suffice to say when watching the meat target test it convinced me the gap can be closed enough between the two that I'm confident the .45 can perform well enough.
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