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Old 08-09-2019, 09:55 AM
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McConnell on AWB

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Old 08-09-2019, 10:34 AM
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It gets brought up regularly. We just need to hope turncoats like Romney, and Murkowski don't screw us. If it passes the senate, it will be Trump's ultimate litmus test.

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Old 08-09-2019, 10:45 AM
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The president just said no AWB will be introduced. Either he is unaware of McConnell's actions, or that's his way of saying he won't sign it. We can only hope.
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Old 08-09-2019, 11:01 AM
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More babbling about background checks.......
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Old 08-09-2019, 11:21 AM
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Trump will sign anything that gets through the Senate. If McConnell and GOP can't contain it in the Senate, Trump will see it as and call it the voters voice. Let's hope that whatever they put up for vote, they tie it up to some toxic for the Dems stuff. Like the wall or the immigration.
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Old 08-09-2019, 12:01 PM
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Trump will sign anything that gets through the Senate. If McConnell and GOP can't contain it in the Senate, Trump will see it as and call it the voters voice. Let's hope that whatever they put up for vote, they tie it up to some toxic for the Dems stuff. Like the wall or the immigration.
Another ban with a sunset provision and a forced deportation of every illegal immigrant, and ultra reinforced border security would be difficult, but tolerable. But that is wishful thinking. There is no way the Dems would offer that good of a deal. They might give him a wall. I hope he wouldn't be short sighted enough to exchange for a wall that will just get torn down later.
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Old 08-09-2019, 12:52 PM
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Another ban with a sunset provision and a forced deportation of every illegal immigrant, and ultra reinforced border security would be difficult, but tolerable. But that is wishful thinking. There is no way the Dems would offer that good of a deal. They might give him a wall. I hope he wouldn't be short sighted enough to exchange for a wall that will just get torn down later.
It would take 10 years to implement that type of deportation and securing the border and once the Democrats got back in power they would stop it all and completely renege. If the GOP didn't learn something from the idiotic deal Reagan made on amnesty in 1986, which is now destroying our country, then I don't what to say.
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Old 08-09-2019, 01:07 PM
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It would take 10 years to implement that type of deportation and securing the border and once the Democrats got back in power they would stop it all and completely renege. If the GOP didn't learn something from the idiotic deal Reagan made on amnesty in 1986, which is now destroying our country, then I don't what to say.
Spot on. Reagan was a complete idiot for signing on to that deal. I suspect his dementia had set it at that point.
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Old 08-09-2019, 01:35 PM
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Spot on. Reagan was a complete idiot for signing on to that deal. I suspect his dementia had set it at that point.
Many Republicans fall for the "natural born conservative" lie. South America is full of socialist governments for a reason. Also, a lot of wealthy "conservatives" don't want to pay higher wages for maids and groundskeepers.
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Old 08-09-2019, 01:39 PM
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Many Republicans fall for the "natural born conservative" lie. South America is full of socialist governments for a reason. Also, a lot of wealthy "conservatives" don't want to pay higher wages for maids and groundskeepers.
Exactly. The Chamber of Commerce lie.
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Old 08-09-2019, 01:49 PM
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Many Republicans fall for the "natural born conservative" lie. South America is full of socialist governments for a reason. Also, a lot of wealthy "conservatives" don't want to pay higher wages for maids and groundskeepers.
I remember hearing that BS throughout the 1990's when some in the GOP were wanting another round of amnesty for the millions that came in after the first amnesty which was supposed to be the end of illegals coming. All good Catholics with great family values. They will all vote Republican.
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Old 08-10-2019, 01:27 PM
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Old 08-10-2019, 01:44 PM
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Just say NO!....to any AWB.
Can't agree more. Enough of us giving ground.
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Old 08-10-2019, 02:17 PM
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I don't think a Federal-AWB isn't going to happen, not this time anyway...UBC highly likely though, the political pressure is just too much for the GOP and POTUS will go along with it...

The most important thing is Rep's staying in power, so all decision's (within reason) need to be made in that context. If the Lefty takes power we will have nothing but a SG and revolver (IF) we are lucky.

Footnote on the AWB: at most there might be some BS accessory requirement like we have here in NJ as a compromise (things like no flash-suppressors, no telescopic stock, or some such BS, who know's for sure. Maybe magazine capacity limit's for AR's/etc as a worst case (not good but..)). Mitch isn't as dumb as he look's/act's sometimes. He isn't going to let it get too out of hand (I hope anyway) and he can check "the box" that he did "something".
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Old 08-10-2019, 04:12 PM
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22 GOP senate seats are up for election in 2020. We're going to get some more gun control and Trump will sign it, whatever it is. I would bet the ranch on that. I've been saying that since he was elected.

Dems aren't going to vote for anything with money for a wall attached to it. They've already won that battle in congress. Now they're about to win the gun control battle with the help of the POT (Party of Trump) and Donald J Trump himself.

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22 GOP senate seats are up for election in 2020. We're going to get some more gun control and Trump will sign it, whatever it is. I would bet the ranch on that. I've been saying that since he was elected.

Dems aren't going to vote for anything with money for a wall attached to it. They've already won that battle in congress. Now they're about to win the gun control battle with the help of the POT (Party of Trump) and Donald J Trump himself.

Stay tuned.
Then we should vote 3rd party across the board, send the republicans packing, and let the standoff with the Dems begin. I am tired of being told during the campaign how pro second amendment they are until they get in office and then surprisingly we get more gun control than when the house, senate, and president were Dems. As far as I am concerned, we should see record republican unemployment...that will send a message.
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Old 08-10-2019, 08:40 PM
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Then we should vote 3rd party across the board, send the republicans packing, and let the standoff with the Dems begin. I am tired of being told during the campaign how pro second amendment they are until they get in office and then surprisingly we get more gun control than when the house, senate, and president were Dems. As far as I am concerned, we should see record republican unemployment...that will send a message.
Vote for a party, the Libertarians I presume, whose primary positions are open borders and legalizing grass? Wow, that is a great idea. Now, tell me what gun control laws have the GOP voted for in the last 30 years. From where I sit, they have blocked every gun control law offered up by the Democrats. And obviously they reversed the Clinton ban by refusing to re-enact it. I hate the fact our rights are up for grabs as much as anyone, but if you don't acknowledge who has protected our rights and instead let the media decide your view, then YOU are the one responsible for losing our gun rights.
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Old 08-10-2019, 09:14 PM
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Vote for a party, the Libertarians I presume, whose primary positions are open borders and legalizing grass? Wow, that is a great idea. Now, tell me what gun control laws have the GOP voted for in the last 30 years. From where I sit, they have blocked every gun control law offered up by the Democrats. And obviously they reversed the Clinton ban by refusing to re-enact it. I hate the fact our rights are up for grabs as much as anyone, but if you don't acknowledge who has protected our rights and instead let the media decide your view, then YOU are the one responsible for losing our gun rights.
Read what I quoted, and what you quoted, and try again. The answers are already in there.

Hint, if they don't block the laws this time, and pass/sign them, then we send them a message. What happened 30 years ago doesn't matter right now.
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Old 08-10-2019, 09:25 PM
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Read what I quoted, and what you quoted, and try again. The answers are already in there.

Hint, if they don't block the laws this time, and pass/sign them, then we send them a message. What happened 30 years ago doesn't matter right now.
Maybe you should read what you quoted and responded to, which was full of assumptions. So far, the Republicans haven't done a thing yet you clearly said this:

I am tired of being told during the campaign how pro second amendment they are until they get in office and then surprisingly we get more gun control than when the house, senate, and president were Dems.

Tell us about that "more gun control" they have passed when the House, Senate and White House was Democrat. Can't wait to hear this.
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Maybe you should read what you quoted and responded to, which was full of assumptions. So far, the Republicans haven't done a thing yet you clearly said this:

I am tired of being told during the campaign how pro second amendment they are until they get in office and then surprisingly we get more gun control than when the house, senate, and president were Dems.

Tell us about that "more gun control" they have passed when the House, Senate and White House was Democrat. Can't wait to hear this.
One example, Trump said during the campaign the "8 year assault on the second amendment is over", promptly bans bump stocks, "hates suppressors", wants to "take the guns and do the due process later", says "Wayne is going to have to take some more gun control." So IF he signs any of these bills into law, THEN it will have been more than the Dems passed when they had all 3, and THEN we should put them out of office.

It is a simple IF/THEN comment...obviously the IF hasn't happened YET. With nearly 8k posts I shouldn't have to teach you how to read words.
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One example, Trump said during the campaign the "8 year assault on the second amendment is over", promptly bans bump stocks, "hates suppressors", wants to "take the guns and do the due process later", says "Wayne is going to have to take some more gun control." So IF he signs any of these bills into law, THEN it will have been more than the Dems passed when they had all 3, and THEN we should put them out of office.

It is a simple IF/THEN comment...obviously the IF hasn't happened YET. With nearly 8k posts I shouldn't have to teach you how to read words.
Bull crap. Your comment once again.

I am tired of being told during the campaign how pro second amendment they are until they get in office and then surprisingly we get more gun control than when the house, senate, and president were Dems.
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And let's not forget the Florida red flag law that was passed by a republican trifecta in 2018. That was a great job all of those pro gun republicans did. Now we have Rubio and Rick Scott pushing for more gun control. I am sure that law is bullcrap too.
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Vote for a party, the Libertarians I presume, whose primary positions are open borders and legalizing grass? Wow, that is a great idea. Now, tell me what gun control laws have the GOP voted for in the last 30 years. From where I sit, they have blocked every gun control law offered up by the Democrats. And obviously they reversed the Clinton ban by refusing to re-enact it. I hate the fact our rights are up for grabs as much as anyone, but if you don't acknowledge who has protected our rights and instead let the media decide your view, then YOU are the one responsible for losing our gun rights.
You have 3 issues here. Choose one. What's more important to you, a wall, your neighbor smoking pot or your RKBA? This upcoming legislation isn't going to be let's make a deal with Donald Trump. The dems are on a roll here with these latest shootings and every GOP politician knows it including McConnell and Trump.

You may be living in the past. Be sure you tell the officer that you don't smoke pot and you wrote a check to Brian Kolfage when they ask to see your magazines and AR.

GOP is going to roll over on this one.
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You have 3 issues here. Choose one. What's more important to you, a wall, your neighbor smoking pot or your RKBA? This upcoming legislation isn't going to be let's make a deal with Donald Trump. The dems are on a roll here with these latest shootings and every GOP politician knows it including McConnell and Trump.

You may be living in the past. Be sure you tell the officer that you don't smoke pot and you wrote a check to Brian Kolfage when they ask to see your magazines and your AR.
Either defend his erroneous comment or acknowledge he is wrong. Nothing else to say.
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And let's not forget the Florida red flag law that was passed by a republican trifecta in 2018. That was a great job all of those pro gun republicans did. Now we have Rubio and Rick Scott pushing for more gun control. I am sure that law is bullcrap too.
Your comment was out of line and wrong. Too bad you can't admit it. How the hell did you get to become a moderator on this site?
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