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Old 08-07-2019, 08:48 AM
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Looks like my favorite President is going along with universal background checks. Very disappointing!!
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Old 08-07-2019, 08:50 AM
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Wait, wait, he often says things then speaks to someone else and changes his mind. Or, or, gets too much blow back then changes his story. Then there's always the chance he'll backtrack change direction or deny ever saying it.

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Old 08-07-2019, 08:58 AM
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Then there's always the possibility he could claim the fake media somehow altered what he said to make him look bad.
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Old 08-07-2019, 09:06 AM
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Usually much is assumed a president can do. If McConnell and company dig heels in along with our NRA, which is still far from perceived neutered regardless what you might hear, it all ain’t going anywhere. Same goes for creepy Joe coming for the AR. They may talk a lot but there’s a few hurdles to jump before we have to begin planning any alternative strategies.
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Old 08-07-2019, 09:24 AM
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Usually much is assumed a president can do. If McConnell and company dig heels in along with our NRA, which is still far from perceived neutered regardless what you might hear, it all ain’t going anywhere. Same goes for creepy Joe coming for the AR. They may talk a lot but there’s a few hurdles to jump before we have to begin planning any alternative strategies.
I still have confidence in McConnell on this issue and also he is up for reelection in 2020. Supporting more gun control in Kentucky would not be to his advantage. Problem is, with all the GOP seats up for reelection next year, I think there is a good chance the communists take the Senate which means real trouble.
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Old 08-07-2019, 10:22 AM
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HT77, Anything is possible. I personally think polls tend to be wrong mainly because people are more conservative than they are willing to admit (rather than lose status in their social settings). The senate is absolutely up for grabs. But we've always been a breath away from losing our republic ever since its founding.

Assuming the worst: we lose the Senate and the White House.. again. What's our worst-case scenario assuming the voting populace completely swings for the socialist left-field fence? We begin the next phase of the fight as the minority party in the house, senate and in the courts. We also fight individually as states. Remember that it takes a super-majority to change the constitution and that can't happen for quite a while.

Is it possible the US becomes Europe-socialist? Eventually, yes. But I'm thinking there's going to be a lot of people who sat on the sidelines that will begin to realize what they're walking away from. I think there's also a lot of people who will organize resistance.
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Old 08-07-2019, 10:41 AM
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Tell President Trump: Don’t Ban “Assault Weapons” or Impose Red Flag Gun Grabs
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Just passing this on.

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Old 08-07-2019, 10:42 AM
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HT77, Anything is possible. I personally think polls tend to be wrong mainly because people are more conservative than they are willing to admit (rather than lose status in their social settings). The senate is absolutely up for grabs. But we've always been a breath away from losing our republic ever since its founding.

Assuming the worst: we lose the Senate and the White House.. again. What's our worst-case scenario assuming the voting populace completely swings for the socialist left-field fence? We begin the next phase of the fight as the minority party in the house, senate and in the courts. We also fight individually as states. Remember that it takes a super-majority to change the constitution and that can't happen for quite a while.

Is it possible the US becomes Europe-socialist? Eventually, yes. But I'm thinking there's going to be a lot of people who sat on the sidelines that will begin to realize what they're walking away from. I think there's also a lot of people who will organize resistance.
The problem is demographics now. Texas, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida are moving blue thanks to demographic changes and immigration. If the GOP didn't have so many seats to defend I would not worry so much but we do. The danger is not that the US becomes like Europe. The danger now is that it becomes like a version of Venezuela or even Cuba. We are going third world eventually.
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Old 08-07-2019, 11:10 AM
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Unfortunately, that's always one future possibility. Fortunately, there's been moves made to SCOTUS that have been favorable. It's never been easy but we can agree that we've been too lax giving away our rights and responsibilities to those that speak to us and for us and who teach our kids how to think. It's like we've given a club to our enemy and then complain loudly when we're getting beat over the head with it. We've not yet made any moves to take the club away.
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Old 08-07-2019, 11:22 AM
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What type of firearm sale doesn't require a background check? Is it just some private party sales in certain States?
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Old 08-07-2019, 11:43 AM
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What type of firearm sale doesn't require a background check? Is it just some private party sales in certain States?
The way most of these bills end up being written, a "transfer" is a loan of a gun. Friend wants to borrow your rifle to take his son/daughter hunting before committing to buying their own gun is a transfer. So, background check for him as he borrows it, been he gives it back, a check on you. Some of the bills make exceptions for close family, kids, spouses and siblings, others do not.

So, this covers more than a sale.

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Old 08-07-2019, 12:10 PM
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Well you have to look at the bright side.

If Hillary was in office. right now she would be running around, biting the heads off of live chickens, and publicly defecating on the constitution.

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Old 08-07-2019, 05:05 PM
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Pres. Trump has already said that ANY type of gun law changes will have to go hand and hand with significant immigration changes!! The demoRats are NOT going to go for any immigration changes that the Pres. and the GOP want to have happen. If the demoRats say NO to a combined bill, then the Pres. can tell the American people that the demoRats don't want any gun control OR immigration changes. This Pres. is nobody's fool, and he is usually 3-4 steps ahead of the other side.
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Old 08-07-2019, 08:14 PM
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Going to leave this right here. Study published in the journal Pediatric identified that, based on data collected, states with universal background checks had 35 percent fewer gun deaths of Americans 21 and younger.

Universal checks are not an infringement on our rights to keep and bear arms, they’re a safety that the wrong people don’t have the opportunity to purchase firearms. And when caught with a firearm after violent crime, if the perpetrator is still alive, it means greater prison time.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/child-...ry?id=64388062


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Old 08-07-2019, 08:38 PM
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A nation wide ccw handgun permit, to carry, to buy guns, to buy ammo in any state,
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Old 08-07-2019, 08:41 PM
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[QUOTE=RichG;12903892]Going to leave this right here. Study published in the journal Pediatric identified that, based on data collected, states with universal background checks had 35 percent fewer gun deaths of Americans 21 and younger.

Universal checks are not an infringement on our rights to keep and bear arms, they’re a safety that the wrong people don’t have the opportunity to purchase firearms. And when caught with a firearm after violent crime, if the perpetrator is still alive, it means greater prison time.

I say execute him on the spot, no trial, no plea bargain, no bs you kill people you die, that will make them think twice.
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Old 08-07-2019, 08:49 PM
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Going to leave this right here. Study published in the journal Pediatric identified that, based on data collected, states with universal background checks had 35 percent fewer gun deaths of Americans 21 and younger.

Universal checks are not an infringement on our rights to keep and bear arms, they’re a safety that the wrong people don’t have the opportunity to purchase firearms. And when caught with a firearm after violent crime, if the perpetrator is still alive, it means greater prison time.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/child-...ry?id=64388062


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But are the universal background checks the reason for that? Doubt it but feel free to prove me wrong.
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Old 08-07-2019, 08:58 PM
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why are people against background checks ? I'm not. Here in AZ you can sell a gun without one for the buyer and I don't feel that's correct
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Old 08-07-2019, 09:10 PM
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why are people against background checks ? I'm not. Here in AZ you can sell a gun without one for the buyer and I don't feel that's correct


So a commodity that people have a right to own via the 2A should be subject to a background check should they decide to sell it? Why?
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Old 08-07-2019, 09:10 PM
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You’d have a states’ rights lawsuit in a New York minute.


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Old 08-07-2019, 09:15 PM
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So a commodity that people have a right to own via the 2A should be subject to a background check should they decide to sell it? Why?

Well, there’s the compound word ‘well-regulated’ in the 2A, also. Regulation is not an undo infringement, it’s a safeguard. There’s a huge difference. Plus, frozen concentrated OJ is a commodity. Guns are not a commodity. Guns are, by nature, dangerous. Nothing wrong with regulating dangerous things.


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Old 08-07-2019, 09:19 PM
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But are the universal background checks the reason for that? Doubt it but feel free to prove me wrong.


I haven’t read the journal article, but I’m not sure there was clear causation connection. Regardless, the fact remains that those states with the stricter laws had fewer deaths.


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Old 08-07-2019, 09:22 PM
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My state has background checks for any transfer except to direct family, there are no gun show loopholes or internet purchases that don't go through an FFL.
I'm ok with that, what I'm not ok with is our half-gay governor telling the state police to keep records indefinitely where as they use to be destroyed in a number of days. Doesn't take much to imagine why these people would want a national data base of all guns...
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Old 08-07-2019, 09:24 PM
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Well, there’s the compound word ‘well-regulated’ in the 2A, also. Regulation is not an undo infringement, it’s a safeguard. There’s a huge difference. Plus, frozen concentrated OJ is a commodity. Guns are not a commodity. Guns are, by nature, dangerous. Nothing wrong with regulating dangerous things.


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Your first chore should be learning what well regulated means at that time in history.
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Old 08-07-2019, 09:25 PM
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I haven’t read the journal article, but I’m not sure there was clear causation connection. Regardless, the fact remains that those states with the stricter laws had fewer deaths.


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