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Old 05-17-2019, 10:30 AM
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9mm 147gr loads (bullet and powder preferences)

I want to try out some 147's for the first time. Looking for input on your favorite loads. I have a pretty good variety of powders on hand and have not yet purchased projectiles. Looking at both coated and plated options.

For now, this will be mostly for target/steel.

What combinations do you like?
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Old 05-17-2019, 10:37 AM
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My Mrs tried 147s (Speer Gold Dot)in her S&W9c for the first time a little while back and decided she liked a starting charge (~ 4.5 grains) of HS-6 for 110 PF
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Old 05-17-2019, 11:20 AM
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One of the problems during the early years of 9mm, 147 grain development was the lack of suitable powders to meet factory specs with "reloader's" powders. Today there are so many more suitable powders.

You'll want something in HS 6 range for mid range to factory velocities (980fps Win147 grain). This allows for proper case fill and safe pressures.

Loading slower powders at lesser velocities may mean smoke and a dirty gun!

Your gun will tell you which bullet will be the best!

The military and LE agencies are liking the 147 grain a lot too!

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Old 05-17-2019, 11:44 AM
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If I remember right you were trying some Vihtavuori N-320 for 9mm. The Vihtavuori application now lists loads for both 135 and 147’s. I have made some test loads in 135 but have not yet in 147’s. Hope to do so in the next couple weeks. My supply of X-Treme 124gr HP’s is getting low and I’m thinking of switching to either the 135’s or 147’s as I carry 147gr HST’s when I do carry a 9mm.
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Old 05-17-2019, 02:38 PM
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You can get close to the look and feel of federal hydrashok 147 using xtreme 147 HP and 4.2 cfe.
Back in the day, I used ww540 and hs6 with bulk win 147 jhp bullets.
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Old 05-17-2019, 04:57 PM
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I want to try out some 147's for the first time. Looking for input on your favorite loads. I have a pretty good variety of powders on hand and have not yet purchased projectiles. Looking at both coated and plated options.



For now, this will be mostly for target/steel.



What combinations do you like?
I use 147g blue bullets, 3.2 grains of titegroup, and oal of 1.12. Shoots soft and about 130pf.

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Old 05-18-2019, 12:28 AM
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With a 147gr bullet, my experimentation has found that 5.0gr of Powder Pistol is my most accurate 147gr load.
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Old 05-18-2019, 06:16 AM
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I have settled on 3.5 gns of Titegroup loaded out to about 1.140. Mixed brass, Federal primer.
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I used to load 147's with Power Pistol, and like Rod I found them to be accurate. If you don't mind the muzzle flash in low-light, it works fine. I've been loading 135's using VV N320 for lower flash signature practice ammo and haven't yet been able to experiment with it for the 147's.
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Old 05-18-2019, 07:33 AM
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I load Xtreme plated 147s over 4.5 grains BE-86, CCI SP, OAL 1.150, 1039 FPS out of a 5" M&P. The impulse and POI is pretty close to my carry ammo.

They also run without issue in my Shield, 9c, and PCC.
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:24 AM
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Blue Bullets and w231 are an inexpensive option and works well for me.
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5" barrel FPS SD spread PF
147 Blue Bullet 147 RN Bullseye 3.5 WSP 1.12 RIA 925 38.6 111 136
147 Blue Bullet 147 RN W231 3.4 WSP 1.12 RIA 923 10 43 136
147 Blue Bullet 147 RN W231 3.4 WSP 1.12 RIA 921 7.7 30 135
147 Xtreme 147 RN W231 3.4 WSP RIA 890 15.8 43 131
147 Xtreme 147 RN W231 3.4 WSP RIA 892 18 48 131
147 Xtreme 147 RN VN320 3.6 WSP RIA 944 24.8 79 139
147 Zero CMJHP W231 3.4 WSP RIA 842 17.8 51 124
147 Zero CMJHP W231 3.6 WSP 1.165 RIA 912 10.2 31 134
147 Zero CMJHP W231 3.6 WSP 1.165 RIA 924 12.8 41 136
147 Zero CMJHP W231 3.8 WSP 1.165 RIA 976 9.94 33 143
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:44 AM
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For steel & cardboard?
Power Pistol is decent, but it is flashy & harsh. Titegroup is perfect, but I just don't like it with coated bullets.
W231/HP38 has been good at 3.5gr with SNS, ACME, Bayou & Blue Bullets.
Lately I like the new-ish Sport Pistol (settled at 3.2gr) with Bayou 147's loaded at 1.140
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Old 05-18-2019, 12:51 PM
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I'm going back to Berry's Preferred RNHP 147 grain 9mm.
I love the way it opens!
Nice blooms.

But all I've shot so far are Damned Good Bullets cast 147 FP
in green powder coat.

I use CFE Pistol.
Hodgdon recommended 3.7 gr start to 4.2 gr max.
COL 1.1"


Fired from 5" Range Officer
3.8 gave 870 fps
4.0 gave 899 fps
4.2 gave 970 fps

They all shot well from my Sig P938 as well,
but I didn't chrono those. I mean, why bother?
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Thanks all- appreciate the insight!


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If I remember right you were trying some Vihtavuori N-320 for 9mm. The Vihtavuori application now lists loads for both 135 and 147s. I have made some test loads in 135 but have not yet in 147s. Hope to do so in the next couple weeks. My supply of X-Treme 124gr HPs is getting low and Im thinking of switching to either the 135s or 147s as I carry 147gr HSTs when I do carry a 9mm.
I wish- I have yet to see VV N-320 in stock locally or when I had other things to cost down the hazmat.
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Old 05-19-2019, 12:16 PM
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I've been using CFE Pistol under Rocky Mountain Reloading 147 FMJ round nose.

My usual load is 4.2 grains with a 1.13" OAL. Gets me averages of 930-950 FPS in my 4.25" Valkyrie. Shoots very close to standard pressure HST or Golden sabers from my experiments.
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Old 05-21-2019, 11:59 AM
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Here's some chrono results for a JHP 147 (Zero) and a coated lead flat point 147, both with Vihtavouri N320.

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Both of these loads are clean, accurate and easy to shoot.
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Old 05-21-2019, 12:12 PM
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I load 147s to Minor Power Factor for IDPA and USPSA; about 900 fps.

I am loading Xtreme 147 plated and 3.4 gr HP38.
I have some Gallant 147 coated and 3.2 gr HP38 for my STI Eagle which has a "fast" barrel.
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Old 05-21-2019, 12:17 PM
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I have settled on 3.5 gns of Titegroup loaded out to about 1.140. Mixed brass, Federal primer.
Not too far off of my load.

I use Bayou 147gr flat points, 3.0gr Titegroup, OAL 1.135, CCI primers, mixed brass.

Out of a Glock 22 with a 40-9 conversion barrel I get 889 fps average. This is a 130 power factor which is a good sweet spot for a gun a use for USPSA, Steel Challenge and practice matches.

I'm not sure these flat points will feed through the 9mm 1911 I'm getting. I will be trying various magazines and am willing to go to round nose bullets. Whatever it takes to get reliability including slide-drop chambering.
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Old 05-21-2019, 12:32 PM
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I'm not sure these flat points will feed through the 9mm 1911 I'm getting.
Flatpoints do fine in my STI, SA, and SW; not in my Colt which lacks the integral ramp of the others.
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Old 05-21-2019, 12:54 PM
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Flatpoints do fine in my STI, SA, and SW; not in my Colt which lacks the integral ramp of the others.
That's encouraging, hope I have similar luck. Thanks!
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Old 05-26-2019, 06:54 PM
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I have liked Unique..

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I want to try out some 147's for the first time. Looking for input on your favorite loads. I have a pretty good variety of powders on hand and have not yet purchased projectiles. Looking at both coated and plated options.

For now, this will be mostly for target/steel.

What combinations do you like?
A while back I tried 4.2gr of Unique with some 147 Hornady XTP. I was very surprised at the soft recoil. I was using my Beretta 92 FS. I may have to replicate that again soon for my current gun of choice for local matches (Sig Sauer P320 Carry)
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Old 05-26-2019, 08:19 PM
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The only 147 grain bullet I've used is the XTP. When I was using it as my primary 9mm SD round, I found that 5.1gn of Power Pistol (magnum primed) couldn't be beat. 945 FPS out of my Shield.

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Old 05-28-2019, 10:36 AM
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Here's some chrono results for a JHP 147 (Zero) and a coated lead flat point 147, both with Vihtavouri N320.

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Both of these loads are clean, accurate and easy to shoot.
Those are very close to what we get in a PM9 using VV N320. The load I use is a DG 147gr FP over 3.2gr 320 with a cci spp @ 1.148 OAL. Gives about 890ish in the PM9, the Wife's semi custom with a 5" Kart and also my Kimber KHX (OR). Interestingly enough they only run an average of 854 in my Silverback. They only make about 810-820 in my ECO and SA Compact respectively so they ( like the Silverback) will need closer to your 3.5gr load to make PF for IDPA games.
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Old 05-28-2019, 11:38 AM
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Good Morning Flechero,

Please keep in mind that I've never loaded for the 9MM. I've never owned a 9MM until I bought a most excellent Springfield Armory EMP 3 9MM about a year ago. That sweet, young thang has taken over as my primary urban carry gun, 'cept I couldn't tell you that last time I've urban carried.

I agree with all of the powder recommendations you've been give by extremely knowledgeable posters.

I've become acquainted with Vihtavuori powders too late in my reloading career. I'm thoroughly intrigued by VV 3N38. It will produce +P velocities in many cartridges using heavy bullets w/o +P pressure. That should translate to substantially lower pressure when low end target reloading. Since 99% of my handgun hand loading is for target shooting, I see no reason to add stress to guns by punching holes in paper with high end loads.

Years ago, when I was using my Sig P-229 .40 S&W for black bear and bipedal, bad guy defense while enduring trout humiliation, I had intended to load 200 grain Noslers for it. VV-N105 brings the .40 S&W within a hair of the highly vaunted 10MM. The winner would be 13 rounds of 200 grain .40 S&W rounds at just shy of 1100 FPS. Like most things I've intended to do, I haven't gotten 'round to assembling such bad boy rounds. Now that I have my apotheosis of wilderness survival handguns, a Springfield Armory TRP .45 ACP, I ain't sure my P-229 will ever again see back country wilderness.

Hence, my advice is to check out VV powders.

BTW, I do not use hand loads for bipedal self-defense. It's not because of the 'net myth that hand loads could be used against me in a self-defense shooting. It's because a box of 50 Fed 147 grain HST Tactical LE standard pressure rounds will last me the rest of my life and lives beyond. Hence, I don't have to engage in the tedious process of carefully weighing each powder charge and perfectly seating & crimping bullets. $28 for a box of factory ammo was worth every cent to get me outta at least an hours' work.
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BTW, I do not use hand loads for bipedal self-defense. It's not because of the 'net myth that hand loads could be used against me in a self-defense shooting. It's because a box of 50 Fed 147 grain HST Tactical LE standard pressure rounds will last me the rest of my life and lives beyond. Hence, I don't have to engage in the tedious process of carefully weighing each powder charge and perfectly seating & crimping bullets. $28 for a box of factory ammo was worth every cent to get me outta at least an hours' work.
It is my opinion that carry ammo should be shot regularly to maintain familiarity with it's individual nuances....i.e. recoil/recovery time, POI vs POA, and probably some more I can't think of. IMO, about a box (or 50 rounds) a year is in the ballpark.
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