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Old 02-21-2020, 01:52 PM
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The government won't allow organization? Communications cut off? Monitored as we travel?

This is more fantasy than reality.
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Old 02-21-2020, 03:46 PM
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Must be a strange part of the country where people are advised not to admit to gun ownership.

Glad to be in Arizona.
Mostly from poll takers. Still it's nobodies business.
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Old 02-21-2020, 06:43 PM
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Some good posts here. Let’s not overlook the other tactic anti-gun politicians may use; taxation. Over time, exorbitant taxes could be imposed on gun
manufacturers and all related companies. They could make the cost of shooting
and hunting prohibitive for the average person. How could we combat this?
I believe our best option is to do all we can by helping pro-gun candidates and incumbents by directing some of what we spend on our sport to campaigns.
In addition, those who are able should help with campaigns as much or as little
as they can. Sure, it can be time consuming, but we are fighting for our freedom. The bias against us by the main-stream news media, which strongly influences those who know little about the shooting sports, is a mighty enemy.
The majority of immigrants know little of our Constitution, and are easily
mislead by political promises in exchange for their votes. We could be a mighty force if only we unite. Let’s do it.
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:03 PM
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A modern civil war in the US would resemble the Algerian revolt against the French. In the end it will be a war that also involves massive movements of Americans from some states to others.

Liberals would move north, conservatives would move south. The New USofA would be Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and maybe the west coast of Florida. In ten years the old USofA will be a bankrupt third world country, with much of its territory claimed by Mexico, China and Islam. And the new USofA will be the third largest economy in the world. And in three more years, it will be the largest, period. And the war will teach the rest of the world to "leave us alone or you'll get some of the same."
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A modern civil war in the US would resemble the Algerian revolt against the French. In the end it will be a war that also involves massive movements of Americans from some states to others.

Liberals would move north, conservatives would move south. The New USofA would be Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and maybe the west coast of Florida. In ten years the old USofA will be a bankrupt third world country, with much of its territory claimed by Mexico, China and Islam. And the new USofA will be the third largest economy in the world. And in three more years, it will be the largest, period. And the war will teach the rest of the world to "leave us alone or you'll get some of the same."
After the dust settles, we invade the north. We could have it all in 2 weeks.
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A modern civil war in the US would resemble the Algerian revolt against the French. In the end it will be a war that also involves massive movements of Americans from some states to others.

Liberals would move north, conservatives would move south. The New USofA would be Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and maybe the west coast of Florida. In ten years the old USofA will be a bankrupt third world country, with much of its territory claimed by Mexico, China and Islam. And the new USofA will be the third largest economy in the world. And in three more years, it will be the largest, period. And the war will teach the rest of the world to "leave us alone or you'll get some of the same."
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A modern civil war in the US would resemble the Algerian revolt against the French. In the end it will be a war that also involves massive movements of Americans from some states to others.

Liberals would move north, conservatives would move south. The New USofA would be Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and maybe the west coast of Florida. In ten years the old USofA will be a bankrupt third world country, with much of its territory claimed by Mexico, China and Islam. And the new USofA will be the third largest economy in the world. And in three more years, it will be the largest, period. And the war will teach the rest of the world to "leave us alone or you'll get some of the same."
I believe you left out South Carolina. Just because we can't seem to remove Lindsey from office is no sign of the feelings of many in SC. We are starting to have counties join the 2nd Amendment Sanctuary Movement and our county council is considering it. The first shots fired in the last CW was fired from SC.
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A modern civil war in the US would resemble the Algerian revolt against the French. In the end it will be a war that also involves massive movements of Americans from some states to others.

Liberals would move north, conservatives would move south. The New USofA would be Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and maybe the west coast of Florida. In ten years the old USofA will be a bankrupt third world country, with much of its territory claimed by Mexico, China and Islam. And the new USofA will be the third largest economy in the world. And in three more years, it will be the largest, period. And the war will teach the rest of the world to "leave us alone or you'll get some of the same."
Did you overlook Arkansas and Missouri or intentionally leave them out?
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Old 02-22-2020, 12:47 AM
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I must say something regarding the ridiculousness of hiding your gun ownership, that ship sailed the first time you bought one, or used a credit card for anything gun related. (You do only pay cash, right?)

I suspect the Swamp/Deep State has long ago (at least a couple of decades, or longer) been collecting every NRA member, gun club member, gun purchase ANYWHERE by scan codes/credit card records and scans this forum and every other - so the idea you can at this late date hide, is well, pretty silly. Preparation - and winning the political fight - are our only two options. Both would be prudent, at this late date.

Some have been wise enough to not buy from stores "through the system" but I don't think I know any who have NEVER bought a gun, or ammo or a gun related item (or publication) "on the record" - even if they did not realize they were creating a paper/evidence trail as they did it. And that is not a criticism - because none of us thought our own government could really be turned against us - naïve, though we all were. The Swamp is composed of New World Order, latte sipping, over (mis) educated Millennial types - and they don't like individuality, God, Guns or the Constitution - and you are a deplorable regressive, racist, bigoted troglodyte for loving those things!! They would not know honor or truth if it walked up behind them and bit them. Evil has got to millions of them - thanks to their Grade School through College Teachers!

But the Internet and record keeping goes two ways - I am sure there are many on the Patriot/God and Country side that have already started their own lists of the people in their community and county who have banged the drum for gun control, the politicians (and their associates and families) on the wrong side of every issue, teachers/professors who told their kids guns/America were evil, locals connected to Soros type organizations, authors who right gun control books, etc., it's all very public because they are so proud and so loud to attack the gun owning public (they think everyone agrees with them!).

The Facebook Society makes it pretty easy to create all sorts of "lists" right in your own home about any demographic, should anyone want to. Intelligence gathering runs both ways. That is what makes it so scary - and why some of us have avoided social media like the plague. But don't kid yourself, the current Governmental Agencies have capabilities (some unknown) that would make the Gestapo and the Stazi very envious!

EVERY Cell Phone is a Government Tracking Device and Listening Device, guys "Hey Google!". Why do you think they required GPS in all phones and then made the batteries non-removable? You go to a gun store, gun show or a range - the GPS coordinates are all already plotted. (There are boxes - Faraday Cages - you can get to block the signal, I understand.)

Alexa and her friends are ALWAYS listening to everything said in your house if you were foolish enough (or your wife was foolish enough) to purchase (with your own money!) your very own Government Wiretap Device and install it in your own house so they can listen to you twenty four hours a day! Some say your cable/sat equipped TV has always had that ability. A gun range nearby caused an uproar when it put in a 24/7 camera that monitored everyone who came and went - their clients realized this could be a direct government tap, not an "anti-crime" measure.

Prepare accordingly - if you think you are an anonymous character - and you are on this or how many gun boards - do you think that is hard to cross reference and tabulate "the real gun guys?" by level of activity - or number of posts? And the other sides attacks could be a knock at 3AM - or just a refusal of credit, licensing, etc., as discussed above.

We have to win this one politically. Why is anyone allowing a reauthorization of the Government's unlimited Wiretap authority in Congress (that big Data Storage Facility in the Desert, remember?) - and why isn't it talked about. Privacy is a Right, too - but not if you "let them", under the guise of counter terrorism, take yours without cause. Enough for now - My point in all this is please don't think anyone can hide - ITS TOO LATE to hide, so it is now TIME TO STAND, politically and socially, to as many as will listen - if saving the Constitution does not get fixed at the ballot box, and a majority side with the Constitution, other boxes will have to be opened.... And we must avoid that.

As Benjamin Franklin so aptly said during a very similar time and situation - "We Must All Hang Together - or We WILL All HANG Separately!!" Hiding just means you die alone.... CC
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Well, the migration noted above is already happening to some degree, unfortunately, it isn't only conservatives moving south, also lefties which creates situations like we have in modern day VA. Or the situation in TX where Cruz had a close call with the biggest imbecile in the Democratic party. Most of this migration is driven by high-taxes, high real-estate prices, etc., and not folks fleeing from gun laws (although some do). When it comes down to it, middle income lefties don't want to pay them either no matter what their core ideology might be. It is the old story of lefty-hypocrites, high taxes are good, but not for me. Gun control is good, but I want my gun.

I hope people are just having a little fun on the internet and don't really believe these fiction novels will be realized.

The closest thing we may come to geographical separation will be City-Folk vs "country/suburb" folk, but even this is a gross generalization. Our political enemies are our neighbors and we need to have plans to deal with this reality in a political/legal way (mainly, expand the tent so we move that 10-20% or so (or whatever that # is) in the middle over to the republican side)...Most races are won by relatively small margins. Just getting more gun owners off their butts to vote would make a difference for example....

We have the policies to win this political war. What is missing are better politicians on our side who like POTUS can take these policies and translate them into higher-notions of the American ideals which all demographics can relate to and hence get voters out to the polls to vote Republican...After 2024, POTUS should start a Republican's Political-Skills "Boot-Camp" to train the existing and upcoming rep'ens on how to WIN! Wouldn't that be a great way for POTUS to multiply his skill-set many times over and leave a legacy for generations to come.

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Old 02-22-2020, 08:43 AM
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The government won't allow organization? Communications cut off? Monitored as we travel?

This is more fantasy than reality.
Precisely, it won’t happen. The picture of total chaos to this country because of the act of physical confiscation will not happen. The far reaching damage and total upheaval of the system will be calculated and the effort to seize will not happen. Slowly crippling bans however, that is the threat.
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After the dust settles, we invade the north. We could have it all in 2 weeks.
Or, we could just start now.......even though they are scattered all over the place it’s not like they aren’t easily identifiable.
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Did you overlook Arkansas and Missouri or intentionally leave them out?
Nor am I convinced that TX or NM should be included.... NM is a hard purple/ blue leaning State, and TX is starting to go the way of WA, OR, and CO.....

Thats why I posed the question of what the geopolitical boundaries for such an endeavor would be- the lines are far less clear than they were in 1860. There really are no clear lines, its a shotgun blast of Red and Blue....
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Definitely. I don't think there would be any battle lines at all. Just a big mess of people identifying each other before they shoot.

Example, I'm in Idaho. I'm not moving anywhere, especially to the South. Forget that.
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The south thanks you for your decision, sir.


Kidding...I've had the chance to live in more northern states and just don't have the inclination to deal with the cold.
In these United States we should not be forced to relocate due to citizens and politicians attempting to literally and figuratively defecate on our Constitution.
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Gun confiscation will occur, slowly....like boiling the frog!

We're seeing the reality of boiling the frog as Islam and Shirai Law are taking over communities in just about every state. It happened with communism starting with socialism.
Could you name the cities where the legal system has been replaced and Sharia Law has been implemented?
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Could you name the cities where the legal system has been replaced and Sharia Law has been implemented?
Take your pick.....New York, New Jersey, all of Cornifornia.....these are the states, but then there are the cities that adopt their own laws contradictory to the constitution. They are everywhere. As far as Sharia Law goes, these cities are adopting “Makruh” and “Harum” as their guiding point to banning weaponry. The supposed “fiqh” of the jurisdiction are going a step further than they have a legal right to. I’m sure the term Sharia Law was used a bit loosely, but you get the point......
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Could you name the cities where the legal system has been replaced and Sharia Law has been implemented?
Not fully implemented - yet.

Dearborne, Michigan might be getting there some day?



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Old 02-25-2020, 09:22 AM
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Such is why we have three branches of government. If one runs afoul of the Constitution, the other two can reel them in.
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Old 02-25-2020, 10:23 AM
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Widespread gun seizures would mean we are already in a civil war.
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Could you name the cities where the legal system has been replaced and Sharia Law has been implemented?
Not enough Muslims here yet to force the issue. Is there anyplace in the world Muslims are a very large segment of society that they don't push sharia? The UK already has sharia courts to placate their growing Muslim population. Unless we limit the number of Muslims, it will happen here at some point.
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Take your pick.....New York, New Jersey, all of Cornifornia.....these are the states, but then there are the cities that adopt their own laws contradictory to the constitution. They are everywhere. As far as Sharia Law goes, these cities are adopting “Makruh” and “Harum” as their guiding point to banning weaponry. The supposed “fiqh” of the jurisdiction are going a step further than they have a legal right to. I’m sure the term Sharia Law was used a bit loosely, but you get the point......
No state has adopted Sharia Law. No city has adopted Sharia Law. Liberal socialism is not compatible with Sharia Law. If they won't allow the Ten Commandments on the government property they won't allow any other religion either.
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That's uh, funny.
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Not fully implemented - yet.

Dearborne, Michigan might be getting there some day?

http://www.truthandaction.org/dearbo...-sharia-law/2/
Due to the high concentration of Muslims in Dearborn, Michigan, roughly 30%, I would think this would be the first large city in the US to attempt to try and enact Sharia Law. I doubt this would happen due to separation of Church and State.
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