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Old 02-20-2020, 07:58 AM
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When the gov't gets to the point that they could try confiscating firearms, it will be controlled by the left (obviously).
They won't begin going house to house to confiscate firearms. They don't have to. They will make it difficult to live. They will identify gun owners. Then they will be able to take our social security, empty bank accounts, force health companies to cancel your health insurance, force banks to cancel credit cards, force local governments to turn off utilities, force employers to fire these employees.

This way won't have to start violent situations.

This is real scary to me.

This is a more likely scenario. They will force you to comply by making it impossible to live. At that point they would leave you no choice but to go to war and to identify and then hold the people who did it accountable in the strongest possible sense.
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Old 02-20-2020, 08:00 AM
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I think a lot of people will be surprised. If the threat of confiscation across this country becomes “real”, not just cities banning a mag, organized efforts will bloom overnight. People will be told to go to X and so and help by doing whatever. The effort will be massive. Once again, the turds at the top best be hiding in a bunker. We are coming to take your lunch away buddy!!
Good point...And whatever state it is in, they can use some of the learning from the VA-Patriots who are on the leading-edge - which of course still a work in progress.
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Old 02-20-2020, 09:04 AM
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The gun control will be slow and on a state by state basis. Did everyone watch what happened in VA.? Bloomberg wants to do this before he dies and he is 80. VA. used to be a great pro gun state look at it now before say it can't happen in your state.

To put things in perspective a lot of people are enraged about Bloomberg spending over 400 million on his campaign. It's NOTHING to him! It is the WEEKLY interest on his $60,000,000,000. So he can spend away on a state by state basis.
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Old 02-20-2020, 09:07 AM
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Bloomturd is a dangerous a-hole whether he is himself installed as POTUS or he buys one of the other candidates - which he will no doubt do or attempt to do once he realizes his campaign isn't going anywhere. He did the same in CO that he did in VA. And he is already buying other state's Attorneys General's offices...he is extremely dangerous and hateful.
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Old 02-20-2020, 01:21 PM
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Old 02-20-2020, 01:26 PM
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Old 02-20-2020, 02:50 PM
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It is very simple. Either you love this country and what it has meant throughout its history, and you are willing to fight and even die for it...or you don't. If the day comes that the federal government (and maybe even at state and city levels) ignores the constitution and openly defies the Bill of Rights, that is when each and every person will have to show their true colors and what they are made of. Many feel we have already reached that threshold. Many are not yet there. But without an overwhelming peaceful attempt to stop the assault on the Constitution, the alternative will be harsh. The battlefields will be many and have different faces...but it will be civil war.
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Old 02-20-2020, 03:48 PM
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If the day comes that the federal government (and maybe even at state and city levels) ignores the constitution and openly defies the Bill of Rights, that is when each and every person will have to show their true colors and what they are made of. Many feel we have already reached that threshold.
The sad thing is we have crossed the threshold already not only regarding the 2A but with numerous other issues. What they have done, with imaginative interpretations, is create rights that don't exist and turn real rights into privileges that government can change at its discretion. This has largely already been accomplished. People in places like NYC and other areas have no gun rights. It's like everything else. People only start getting upset when they come for them. This movement in Virginia, instead of waiting for the enemy's next move, needs to expand into a national movement.
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Old 02-20-2020, 04:06 PM
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It is very simple. Either you love this country and what it has meant throughout its history, and you are willing to fight and even die for it...or you don't. If the day comes that the federal government (and maybe even at state and city levels) ignores the constitution and openly defies the Bill of Rights, that is when each and every person will have to show their true colors and what they are made of.
At the State and city level, that day came years, if not decades ago.... don't see many standing up and actually fighting, let alone dying....

As for the 21s century US Civil War, what (even roughly) would the geopolitical boundaries be? The US is a shotgun blast of left and right. The concept of State citizenry, and duty and loyalty to the same, are long dead.... there's no Mason Dixon line any more....
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Old 02-20-2020, 04:23 PM
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Old 02-20-2020, 06:07 PM
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Then what do you suppose will happen? Mass retaliation? Those making the decisions at the top had better live in a bunker because none of them will be safe. I have said it before, just keep on pushing....There will come a point in which the armchair quarterback conservatives will get off their butts when they have had enough. This country will be in for a fight like history has never seen. The Dimtards know it too....
I hope there will be mass retaliation. I know some won't put up with it. My concern is that too many won't have the guts to do what is necessary. I hope that I am wrong. Either way, I will stand up and fight.
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Old 02-20-2020, 06:24 PM
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Some say 'no' as the general population is too comfortable in the here and now.

I say 'yes.' There are a lot of veterans that own guns. If an order is given to confiscate guns, vets will be the main source of resistance. Active military will not get into a conflict with veterans, They'll probably side with them. The masses will have no choice but to choose a side.
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Old 02-20-2020, 09:40 PM
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I say the general population is too comfy. I won't change my mind on that.

But I agree also that there are untold numbers who will, at the crucial moment, rise to the task before them.

I hope it can be settled without physical conflict, but my wife and I have already decided that we aren't giving in. I'll make a sacrifice if needed. I'm ok with it. I owe it to some guys that sacrificed before me.
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Old 02-20-2020, 11:50 PM
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So many lured by the false hopes of socialist.
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Old 02-21-2020, 06:15 AM
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Some will, most will not...

Why?

Human Nature:
-Some patriots serve in an all voluntary military, but an extremely small % of the population.
-Some gun owners join the NRA (like only 5-7% depending on what #'s one believes about total gun ownership), most do not.
-Even on the forum, some contributed to the funding of the forum (a measly 5$/month) most do not.

Talk is cheep, and people will say anything until its time to do something, or stick their hands in their pocket to pull out a few bucks. Some will, most will not.

Now that said, if things get like Venezuela in this country, more of the "will not's" may become the "will's" - what % is unknowable but is proportional to the amount of misery administered by the "state". The more misery, the more "will's".

But don't sit around waiting for something which may or may not happen 10-20 years from now - don't let the SHTF scenario become the "opium" of gun community (i.e., false hopes), this will remain a Political/Legal war for some time and most (likely) forever, so get busy fighting in in this context to avoid the Venezuela scenario (and not just for guns but for your entire way of life, and for you and your children's-children's).
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Old 02-21-2020, 06:48 AM
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The sad thing is we have crossed the threshold already not only regarding the 2A but with numerous other issues. What they have done, with imaginative interpretations, is create rights that don't exist and turn real rights into privileges that government can change at its discretion. This has largely already been accomplished. People in places like NYC and other areas have no gun rights. It's like everything else. People only start getting upset when they come for them. This movement in Virginia, instead of waiting for the enemy's next move, needs to expand into a national movement.
That’s kinda where I was going with the earlier discussion. I just don’t think the threat is “real” enough for many folks. They hear the same old wrinkled puss faced Democrats threatening gun control, but nothing “big” has happened. You put out a PSA (paid for by the NRA) that states the serious nature of whatever landslide piece of legislation is being proposed to take their guns and THEN you will get a reaction. People need to be told where to go, what to do and how to do it. The movement needs to be organized and this is where the NRA comes in. I don’t mean by just filling out some petition and mailing it to some congressman’s office either.....our strength, our numbers, are made up of millions of folks that actually do need to be led to water.
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Old 02-21-2020, 06:58 AM
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Some say 'no' as the general population is too comfortable in the here and now.

I say 'yes.' There are a lot of veterans that own guns. If an order is given to confiscate guns, vets will be the main source of resistance. Active military will not get into a conflict with veterans, They'll probably side with them. The masses will have no choice but to choose a side.
Here’s the interesting part, 30% of Americans own guns. So what are the other 70% going to oppose us with? A yoga mat? OK, so they won’t be the ones fighting......the way I see it, it would be about 50 million Americans against law enforcement......this country would never allow the military to mow down its citizens, nor do I believe that most law enforcement agencies would participate in a confiscation. Goes back to how things get organized........
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:38 AM
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Here’s the interesting part, 30% of Americans own guns.
The problem Nitro is a good many of them support more gun control and vote Democrat.
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This country would never allow the military to mow down its citizens, nor do I believe that most law enforcement agencies would participate in a confiscation. Goes back to how things get organized........
And yet there are many examples of exactly that...
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Here’s the interesting part, 30% of Americans own guns.
Don't believe it. That's a BS obama talking point. Only 30% of Americans admit to owning guns. If you point out that there are over 400 million guns in the US, gun deniers will say that is because a small minority of gun owners owns 50 guns each.

As a NRA certified firearms instructor, I tell those in my classes not to admit to anyone that they own a gun. It's nobodies business but theirs.
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This country would never allow the military to mow down its citizens, nor do I believe that most law enforcement agencies would participate in a confiscation. Goes back to how things get organized........
And yet there are many examples of exactly that...
And there are far more examples of that not occuring.
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Here’s the interesting part, 30% of Americans own guns.
Don't believe it. That's a BS obama talking point. Only 30% of Americans admit to owning guns. If you point out that there are over 400 million guns in the US, gun deniers will say that is because a small minority of gun owners owns 50 guns each.

As a NRA certified firearms instructor, I tell those in my classes not to admit to anyone that they own a gun. It's nobodies business but theirs.
I would differ. While I agree it's nobody's business, hiding behind a lie is cowardly and does not move the culture.

"Yo, do own a gun?"
"Well yes I do. In fact, damn right I do. Many. Let me know if you want to go to the range sometime."

Wow. That was hard.
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Must be a strange part of the country where people are advised not to admit to gun ownership.

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Who is going to be the enemy? 50 governors and 535 elected in Washington? They will all go in hiding at the first sign of trouble. The police? They wear uniforms so at least you can identify them and would probably have a lot that won't fire on citizens. But they have other options to disperse the unruly. Sonic weapons, tear gas, water cannons, bean bag shotguns, rubber bullets and who knows what else the military has cooking. And once we fire one lethal in return, I suspect those that sided with us initially, won't any longer.

It would need to be an organized guerrilla type affair. The problem with that is, the gov't won't allow organization. Communications will be cut off Or monitored as will travel. So how would you organizize? And supplies and logistics? Forget about it. Perhaps some early successes could be had but that's about it, forget a protracted clash long enough to make them submit. Unfortunately, IMO, our only recourse is the vote and the courts.

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Who is going to be 5he enemy? 50 governors and 535 elected in Washington? They will all go in hiding at the first sign of trouble. The police? They wear uniforms so at least you can identify them and would probably have a lot that won't fire on citizens. But they have other options to disperse the unruly. Sonic weapons, tear gas, water cannons, bean bag shotguns, rubber bullets and who knows what else the military has cooking. And once we fire one lethal in return, I suspect those that sided with us initially, won't any longer.

It would need to be an organized guerrilla type affair. The problem with that is, the gov't won't allow organization. Communications will be cut off Or monitored as will travel. So how would you organizize? And supplies and logistics? Forget about it. Perhaps some early successes could be had but that's about it, forget a protracted clash long enough to make them submit. Unfortunately, IMO, our only recourse is the vote and the courts.
Clearly you aren't familiar with LIC/CI operations.

That said, you are correct in that voting and court are the preferable battles.
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