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Old 03-18-2020, 02:43 PM
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Some food for thought.

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[I]t is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or of any number of men, at the entering into society to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights, when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution, is for the support, protection, and defence of those very rights; the principal of which, as is before observed, are life, liberty, and property. If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up an essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right of freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave. Samuel Adams
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During an adversarial time.

[I]t is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or of any number of men, at the entering into society to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights, when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution, is for the support, protection, and defence of those very rights; the principal of which, as is before observed, are life, liberty, and property. If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up an essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right of freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave. Samuel Adams
If I recall correctly from the biographies of Thomas Jefferson by Dumas Malone, that was in a letter between the two during the time before the finalized version of the DoI, the initial draft had "Life, Liberty, and Property" and later got changed to "and Pursuit of Happiness". It is very interesting indeed to see the text of their letters during our development as a fledgling country. They considered property as a limited statement of "pursuit of happiness" and that clause of the sentence got changed accordingly, but right to property (to them) was assumed due to case law for the preceeding few centuries and was accepted and understood, so pursuit of happiness was a more wise-ranging recognition of one's own self-determination. Just my recollection from those biographies.
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