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Old 01-10-2020, 02:15 PM
Steven1127 Steven1127 is offline
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Should I Get a 9mm Specialist?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Short story is I'm a very new shooter but want to get much more into the sport. I own a G19 Gen 4 which I've probably shot less than 700 rounds through it in over 7 years. I just bought a Sig P226 Legion RX (DA/SA) b/c I thought I wanted an all metal gun with a longer barrel and better trigger and an optic for my 58-year-old eyes. I like the Sig and like the SA pull but can do without the DA pull (I didn't want the DA/SA, I wanted the SAO version of the gun but I couldn't reach the slide lock so I went with the DA/SA). I've shot about 200 rounds through the Sig.

After doing a lot of poking around, Iíve decided I should have probably gotten a 9mm 1911. I live in NJ so max mag capacity is 10 rounds and we canít conceal or open carry. The gun will be used for range, HD and maybe some tactical-type classes.

Iíve narrowed my potential gun list to include the Specialist 9mm. I like the fact that it holds 10 rounds, has a rail, is good looking to my eye and is a DW. My concerns are it has a longer barrel than the Sig and is almost 25% heavier than the Sig. Any reasons why I shouldnít consider getting this gun (I wonít be able to shoot or handle it first b/c no place around me has the gun).

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Old 01-10-2020, 02:36 PM
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I shoot a 9mm Valor in IDPA. It's a 5" and the recoil is very mild. The specialist would probably be similar. All of the DW's are great guns. No problems!

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Old 01-10-2020, 04:23 PM
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I can’t say enough good things about DW guns, I have a PM9, a 9mm specialist, and a 9mm TCP, in all aspects they compare extremely well to my les Baer and my Wilson combat, for much less $. I would not hesitate to get a DW specialist
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Old 01-10-2020, 05:47 PM
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I'm also in NJ and bought myself a Specialist Commander in .45 and love it. For a bit of diversity you may wish to expand your caliber portfolio to include the .45. However if not, no harm and no foul... DW is a GREAT choice.
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Old 01-10-2020, 06:06 PM
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No. get the proper cal for 1911: 45acp
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Old 01-10-2020, 06:11 PM
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Any thoughts would be appreciated.

.....almost 25% heavier than the Sig.......

Thanks
Another option is the TCP. Superb gun, that shoots better than I can. I also have both a Specialist Commander (45).

Either way you canít go wrong.
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Old 01-10-2020, 06:23 PM
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I had a Specialist in 45 then had a Vigil in 9mm. Dan Wessons are wonderful guns. Aesthetically pleasing and wonderful to shoot. I vote yes.
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Old 01-10-2020, 06:33 PM
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I've got the Guardian in 9mm and it is fantastic. I've been wanting the specialist for a long time. Just can't find one for a reasonable price and have trouble deciding between 9mm and .45. I think if I got a specialist is go 45. I just like my full size 1911's in .45. Commanders and smaller can be 9mm!

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Old 01-10-2020, 08:44 PM
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Tcp!!!!
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Old 01-11-2020, 07:48 AM
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No. get the proper cal for 1911: 45acp
So you say but there are many that will not agree with you!
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Old 01-11-2020, 02:04 PM
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Thanks for the response. Maybe we can meet up if u r willing to let me give the gun a whirl.
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Old 01-11-2020, 02:37 PM
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Unless you actually use a pistol light, I'd skip a rail 1911. Much easier to find holsters for them.
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:20 AM
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My two cents: Decide which is more important to you, having a 1911, or a 9mm.

If you really want a 9mm, get a CZ 75. It's not the widest used 9mm on the planet by accident. (I also like CZ's P-01. Possibly the best 9mm being manufactured today.)

If you really want a 1911, get a Dan Wesson in .45.
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Old 01-12-2020, 11:15 AM
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Should I Get a 9mm Specialist?

If you cannot carry, what difference will a few Oz of extra weight make to you? Either Full Size, Commander, or lightweight version of both will work. Hold them and see what feels better in your hands.

I owned a 9mm 5Ē Specialist and sold it thinking I want to switch to a 4.25Ē commander version of it. Shooting that gun was like shooting a .22

I disagree with the 9mm = CZ statement above. Nothing wrong with a 9mm 1911 and a Specialist will be more inherently accurate than a standard 75B or SP-01. Now, if you step up to Target Sport or other accurized CZs those will be competitive!
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Old 01-12-2020, 02:52 PM
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gun_fan111, I completely agree with you that a Specialist will be more accurate than a CZ 75 or P-01; however, you have to spend $1K more for it than a CZ. The OP stated that he's new to shooting.

I know a lot of people who absolutely swear by their 9mm 1911. However, of just the people that I know, 2 to (maybe) 4 times more have had problems with their 9mm 1911's magazines (and magazine locks) than .45 1911's, regardless of manufacturer. Magazines have always been the Achilles Heel of the 1911. To date, there seems to be a 'bigger heel' on the 9mm variety.

I just believe that 'for someone new to shooting', a very reliable gun with limited issues is very important to the experience. (Maybe I do need to come up with a more concise, more better way to say all of this. Sorry.)

Again, if I offended anyone with my lack of praise for the 9mm 1911, I humbly apologize. I meant no harm.

Oh, and Steven1127, attachments and accessorizing will come down the road. Most of us have lived without a rail most of our lives. In my opinion, you can try new things later. What's important now is a good gun, preferably with night sights. Learn everything you can about it, and practice, practice, practice.
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Old 01-12-2020, 03:03 PM
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You definitely have a valid point guns90. I standardized on Tripp and DW magazines for all my 9mm needs (in 1911) and have only had an issue with 1-2 Tripp mags that needed a quick adjustment to lock the slide back reliably on the empty mag.

If anybody was offended by your post, it is their problem. You voiced your opinion. It is valid cause itís yours
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Old 01-12-2020, 04:40 PM
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9mm mags have come a long way - so have 9mm 1911's and ramped barrels. For a range toy, which is essentially what this is, there's not a damn thing wrong with a cheaper 9mm.

I doubt I'll own another .45 1911 after having 2 that run no matter what mags I put in them. The shooting experience is so much nicer, easier on my elbows, duty 9mm ammo is more or less on par with duty .45 ammo, and 9mm ammo means I get a lot more booms for my buck. I'm a shooter, not a collector :-)
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Old 01-12-2020, 06:30 PM
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Like I said, I know a lot of people that swear by them. In all honesty, I'm just not a fan of the 9mm cartridge. I have a Sig P938 because I'm almost dwarf-size and needed a something smaller carry, in suits, etc. I also figured (if the balloon went up) I ought to have at least one pistol of the most popular ammo on the planet. I just don't have faith in it. The OP also said that he would use it for HD. I strongly believe that when it comes to home defense, the bigger the better. I use .45 and .357 Mag (as of recently).
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Old 01-12-2020, 07:38 PM
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Personally, I wouldn't buy another 1911 chambered in 9mm. I prefer my 1911's in .45 acp or .38 Super. I have a Black Commander Specialist in .45 and absolutely love it!
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Old 01-12-2020, 08:51 PM
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Like I said, I know a lot of people that swear by them. In all honesty, I'm just not a fan of the 9mm cartridge. I have a Sig P938 because I'm almost dwarf-size and needed a something smaller carry, in suits, etc. I also figured (if the balloon went up) I ought to have at least one pistol of the most popular ammo on the planet. I just don't have faith in it. The OP also said that he would use it for HD. I strongly believe that when it comes to home defense, the bigger the better. I use .45 and .357 Mag (as of recently).
That's fine if that's your opinion, but ballistic evidence and autopsies over the last 10 years or so don't correlate with your opinion.

Typically the only time .45acp does better than 9mm in premium cartridges is through intermediate barriers like windshields.
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:09 PM
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To the OP, I'm sorry that this thread has gotten off topic. I was only attempting to pass on my experience. Good luck in your search. These forums provide a great deal of information, even if everyone doesn't agree. Keep educating yourself. And practice, practice, practice.

Jeep45238, we'll just have to agree to disagree, I guess. My lack of faith in the 9mm is very real. I sincerely hope that you never almost die at the hands of an Iraqi Republican Guard after placing two rounds in his chest and it doesn't even slow him down. Information gathered from shooting rounds into blocks of gel or autopsy reports can be very enlightening. But those facts don't trump mine.
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:18 PM
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I got a 9mm Silverback last year and I absolutely love it. It is perfect, tight accurate, mild shooting. I run it in USPSA and loving it. DW as well as Wilson mags run perfect in it and I do believe that DW makes the best 9mm 1911. I am hooked and looking out for a Pointman 9 as well. Dont need it but want it for it being pretty and having a fiber optic front (yes I know, not much of a reason...). Once you get the DW bug, its hard the shake. Break it in real wet and you be good. I cleaned every 50 rounds and the gun runs awesome.
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Old 01-13-2020, 06:56 AM
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I'm also in NJ and bought myself a Specialist Commander in .45 and love it. For a bit of diversity you may wish to expand your caliber portfolio to include the .45. However if not, no harm and no foul... DW is a GREAT choice.
Let me know if you want to try to meet up. Would love to try your DW.
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Old 01-13-2020, 05:55 PM
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Where are you located in NJ? County? Range?
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Old 01-13-2020, 09:36 PM
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To the OP, I'm sorry that this thread has gotten off topic. I was only attempting to pass on my experience. Good luck in your search. These forums provide a great deal of information, even if everyone doesn't agree. Keep educating yourself. And practice, practice, practice.

Jeep45238, we'll just have to agree to disagree, I guess. My lack of faith in the 9mm is very real. I sincerely hope that you never almost die at the hands of an Iraqi Republican Guard after placing two rounds in his chest and it doesn't even slow him down. Information gathered from shooting rounds into blocks of gel or autopsy reports can be very enlightening. But those facts don't trump mine.
I'll never encounter an Iraqi Republican Guard, but the 9mm 1911 is a real killer in Steel Challenge.
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