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Old 12-04-2019, 08:21 AM
Snooking Naples Snooking Naples is offline
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9mm DW's how reliable are they?

I own numerous DW 1911's in .45 but I really enjoy shooting and with the coast of ammo I'm seriously considering picking up a DW 1911 in 9mm in addition to the new DWX in the near future. I plan to shoot it in local fun matches and steel matches where I can run a 9mm without any worries about major vs minor. The last steel shoot I shot I almost went through an entire 1000 round case of 9mm so the cost adds up quickly.

I did pick up a Springfield RO in 9mm from a buddy who owns a gun shop but I've already had to ship it back to S.A. due to the slide locking back. While it appears to be fixed I'm still not 100% confident in it right now. I was told this is a common issue with 9mm 1911's and I'm wondering if this is also an issue with ALL 9mm 1911's including DW's and if so then perhaps I should just skip it and stick with .45 in the 1911's and get the DWX or a CZ Shadow 2 or A01 for 9mm.

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Old 12-04-2019, 05:41 PM
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Problem with the slide locking back without the mag being empty? I've never had the problem and I have government, commander, CCO, and officer sized 9mm DW, in both aluminum and steel frames, and never had that issue. I've had a few problems with the slide NOT locking back when empty, but that was cured by using Wilson Combat mags.
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Old 12-04-2019, 05:51 PM
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I have a DW ECP in 9mm. Even with Wilson magazines, it fails to lock back on empty more than it actually locks back. I read somewhere perhaps they put in the wrong caliber slide-stop. So I ordered a bullet proof brand slide stop in 9mm from Wilson. Put it in and it helped immensely, but I still get the occasional failure to lock back on empty. Gun has become pretty much a range toy until I can get long term reliability out of it (as in, functions as intended through several hundred rounds).
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Old 12-04-2019, 05:55 PM
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Agreed. I've never heard of that issue being 'common' with any 9mm 1911. Personally, I've had several from different makes, and they've all worked perfectly fine. Likewise, I've seen numerous ones come through my matches, and all have worked. As usual, my caveat is that as long as a pistol remains unmolested, or is molested by someone who really knows what they are doing, they'll work fine. The problems tend to start when the random 'customizing' begins - an impulse that should be resisted, in my opinion.
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Old 12-04-2019, 06:12 PM
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I’ve got two Dan Wesson Guardian 9mms and they have both been very reliable.
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Old 12-04-2019, 06:21 PM
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I only have a sample of one but my 9mm Valkyrie is actually more reliable than my Gen 5 Glocks. Or, at least it's less ammo picky.

I'd put it behind only my 226 as most trustworthy 9mm.
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Old 12-04-2019, 06:50 PM
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Among the many guns across makes and categories my DW Silverback 9mm has become my absolute favorite, most fun to shoot and beautiful looking while 100% flawless in fit, finish and performance.

I shoot various DW as well as Wilson 9mm mags with it and never any FTF or anything else. Maybe one hangup in the first 50 rounds but never after that.

I run light handloads with truncated cone bullets in it and also with that, 100% flawless. Running matches for the first time w it next weekend.
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Old 12-04-2019, 06:53 PM
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Small sample: my 9mm Guardian is absolutely reliable; my PM9 is probably the least reliable semi-auto I've ever owned. I don't think this proves much.
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Old 12-04-2019, 08:27 PM
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I have had occasion to shoot some steel and paper target competitions with my 9mm Vbob, I have never had any issues at meets. The only issue I can recollect is during break in, I might have had a FTRB that needed a nudge after a long bout of shooting. I trust it to work, and it has been fine so far. (I also have a 9mm RI that I set up with go fast parts, and it has had a couple issues to sort, but runs fine now)
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Old 12-04-2019, 09:03 PM
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Dont take this info the wrong way....

1911s can be quirky.

Those who own 1911s need to become schooled in how it works and make the minor adjustments as needed to run.

Off all the 9mm 1911s I owned, and one being a DW Valkryie.... they ran 100%.

if it were my piece, I would examine the slide off frame and see how each mag follower interacts with the slide stop lug. It could be a variety of minor issues that could be a quick fix. it could be an issue with the plunger tube detents or spring ..... so many potentials. It could be the mags.

Yes, you can send it back for repair.... but I like to find the issue myself.

good luck
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Old 12-04-2019, 09:24 PM
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Dont take this info the wrong way....

1911s can be quirky.

Those who own 1911s need to become schooled in how it works and make the minor adjustments as needed to run.

Off all the 9mm 1911s I owned, and one being a DW Valkryie.... they ran 100%.

if it were my piece, I would examine the slide off frame and see how each mag follower interacts with the slide stop lug. It could be a variety of minor issues that could be a quick fix. it could be an issue with the plunger tube detents or spring ..... so many potentials. It could be the mags.

Yes, you can send it back for repair.... but I like to find the issue myself.

good luck
I guess I should have been a little more detailed in explaining the issue with my 9mm S.A. R.O.. It isn't a magazine related issue or an issue of it locking back or not locking back on a semi full or empty magazine. It was locking up even with no magazine inserted and seemed to be hanging up on part of the frame. Someone told me at a match it was more than likely hanging on the disconector. I sent it back to S.A. and they made some adjustments and it also appears that they made a cut out in the bottom of the slide near where the disconector would contact the bottom of the frame and so far it seems to have solved the issue. If you pull the slide back and look at the bottom of the frame it appears as a 1/2 circle cut into the back of the underside of the slide. I just looked at my PM7 and it has this cut from the factory. I'll have to look at my other DW's but they're currently upstairs in the main safe and the kids are in bed the PM7 in down in my office in the smaller safe where I keep my competition guns.

Someone told me after I was having issues at the steel shoot that this was a common issue with 9mm 1911's and then when I posted on a 1911 FB group several people also echoed the same thing that 9mm 1911's weren't known for being reliable. As this was just kind of a started 9mm 1911 that I bought on a whim as it was in my buddies shop and I couldn't pass up the price I wanted to see it this was kind of the norm before I dropped over $1K on a 9mm DW only to have the exact same issues. I don't mind making a $600 mistake and sending it back but a $1,000 plus mistake is harder to swallow. From the replies here it doesn't appear here that DW's don't appear to have the same issues that I experienced with the S.A. R.O.

Again I've got 7 DW's in .45 ACP and never had any issues other than some minor issues that didn't affect the function with my Heritage that DW took care of.

Thanks for the replies.
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Old 12-04-2019, 09:33 PM
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I have a PM 9. Have run it through two classes at Front Sight and a couple range trips, prolly 1,000 rds on it. No problems at all, and it's a tack driver. I don't shoot it much.
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Old 12-04-2019, 09:34 PM
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I saw that with a few of my Springers. when slow hand slide action, it will hang up on the disconnector but it never did that when fired.

The recoil spring on the .45 is much stiff and it did not hang up with them.

I dont recall my Commander Valkyrie 9mm hanging up.

I did have a WCBP disconnector laying around and when I tried it, the no longer hung up on the disconnector.
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Old 12-04-2019, 09:55 PM
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I’ve had at least 7 9mm Dan Wessons with tens of thousands of rounds between them. I’ve carried them on duty, shot them in multiple classes, competed with them, etc. Never had any issues with any of them. They were all totally reliable.
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Old 12-05-2019, 07:51 AM
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Thanks for all the replies. I really sounds like this may be a Springfield or lower priced 9mm 1911 issue then as it appears that Springfield did what it DW appears to do right from the start and mill out the little semicircle into the bottom of the slide.

Thanks again.
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Old 12-05-2019, 07:52 AM
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I have a PM-9. Zero problems with the gun. I had to bend the tab in the magazines that came with the gun to get it to lock back with them. All other magazines work fine.
Smooth sailing since then. I shoot it every week in Bullseye matches. Totally dependable and incredibly accurate, as in 5 shots in less than 2" @ 50 yards.

I have an RO Champion in 9mm. It went back to SA, then I finished fixing it with help form the folks here. Now i shoot steel bowling pins with is and sometimes win.

First it was unusable, then when it came back from SA, it has serious accuracy issues that were respired whit a proper slide stop pin and a longer link.

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Old 12-05-2019, 08:05 AM
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I have a PM-9 with a little over 10,500 rounds through it. Bought it new in Jan of this year so you can see I shoot it a lot. Never had one problem. But I do follow DW cleaning/lube instructions to a "T". And every 5,000 rounds I send it to DW for "maintenance/inspection" for a trained eye to check and inspect. Overboard?, maybe but that's just me.
Magazines: I only use two types: the ones that came with the gun and Mec-Gar, no others. No Chip McCormick, no Tripp, no Wilsons. And no problems!!

And I should add I don't carry, don't compete, just go to the range, indoor and outdoor, 3+ times a week and shot my guns!!

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Old 12-05-2019, 08:19 AM
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It took me a while to get my SA 9mm sorted out - replaced slide stop, extractor, and sear spring - but DW seems to be a nicer made gun at a higher price. I wouldn't worry about it.
At this late date I would get a look at the DWX before jumping in.
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Old 12-05-2019, 09:16 AM
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Thanks for all the replies. I really sounds like this may be a Springfield or lower priced 9mm 1911 issue then as it appears that Springfield did what it DW appears to do right from the start and mill out the little semicircle into the bottom of the slide.

Thanks again.
the little semicircle notch in the bottom of the slide is the disconnector notch. are you saying your notch was never there to begin with?

you would not have trigger function without this notch being in the slide.

I would add that Springer MIM disconnectors from the guns I have messed with have a sharp tip. Add the 9mm lighter recoil spring and when HAND MANIPULATION OF RIDING THE SLIDE FWD will cause a slide hang up on the disconnector.

if the pistol functions fine while shooting it.... there is not an issue.

If I recall correctly, you never shorten the disconnector. I have mildly dehorned the sharp edge but the WCBP disconnector dropped in, function checked and is a much smoother top edge than the factory MIM disconnector.
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Old 12-05-2019, 09:27 AM
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I have a Specialist 9, Guardian 9, and a PM9. Have many thousands of rounds thru them. range time and competition. All have been very reliable.
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Old 12-05-2019, 09:39 AM
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And every 5,000 rounds I send it to DW for "maintenance/inspection" for a trained eye to check and inspect. Overboard?, maybe but that's just me.
That's crazy but to each their own. I can't imagine they found any problems aside from recommending to replace the recoil spring and MAYBE adjusting the extractor tension??
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Old 12-05-2019, 09:43 AM
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I would add that Springer MIM disconnectors from the guns I have messed with have a sharp tip. .
On mine, the disconnector was ok but the sear spring had a sharp rough tip that was holding up the disconnector hard and putting a hard bump into slide travel. A Colt sear spring and polishing out the gouges the SA spring left in the disconnector bevel fixed that.
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Old 12-05-2019, 11:17 AM
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Bought my Grandson a PM-9, he has several thousand rds fired with no issue s, not one. Taught him to keep it spotlessly clean after 50 rds and to keep it wet using FP-10. This pistol is very accurate as well. amazing really.

GC45
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Old 12-05-2019, 12:48 PM
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I have 6 Dan Wesson 9mm Pistols, 6 Wilson Combat 9mm Pistols, and several other 9mm 1911s from a few other makers. In the past 2 years I have put over 30,000 rounds through these 1911 9mm pistols. I have run over a dozen types of range ammo, and over a dozen types of defensive ammo. I have NOT HAD A SINGLE FAILURE OF ANY KIND. Not a Jam, Not a Failure to feed, nothing.

The ONLY "issue" I have ever had with any of these 9mm 1911 pistols, has been the slide not locking back on the last round during the first 500 rounds of break in when using 115gr 9mm ammo. That has only been with two of my Wilsons (because they are so tight and need to fit themselves together). That's why Most 1911 manufacturers recommend using 124gr during the break period.

You can listen to the talking heads or you can listen to someone who puts 500 rounds of 9mm through his 1911s each week.

FYI, The Dan Wesson 9mm pistols are the ABSOLUTE SOFTEST SHOOTING 1911 9MM PISTOLS ON THE MARKET. I have shot them all. Even DWs Lightweight aluminum framed 9mm 1911s (Valkyrie, Vigil, Guardian, ECP/TCP, etc), have less recoil than my all steel Wilson Combat 9mm 1911s. This is intentional by the way. Keith at DW set out to make their 9mm pistols the softest shooting on the market by figuring out the perfect combination of mainspring weight, recoil spring weight, and Firing Pin Stop radius. They have it down to a science. All the other manufacturers leave a lot of recoil mitigation on the table, and let you figure it out.

The only softer shooting 9mm 1911 carry pistol I'm aware of, is the Wilson Combat Carry Comp. The barrel and comp are made of 1 piece of steel. The tiny comp is brilliantly designed to virtually eliminate recoil. But as far as a non-comped 9mm 1911, NO ONE makes a softer shooting 9mm 1911 than DW.

I have written several articles about DW pistols for TFB and TTAG. Check them out. I even wrote up an extensive comparison of a DW and WC pistol for TFB. I think it's a pretty interesting read. Good Luck! Can't go wrong with DW 9mm 1911 pistols. Easily the best value in the 1911 world.

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Old 12-05-2019, 01:09 PM
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On mine, the disconnector was ok but the sear spring had a sharp rough tip that was holding up the disconnector hard and putting a hard bump into slide travel. A Colt sear spring and polishing out the gouges the SA spring left in the disconnector bevel fixed that.
Excellant. I have seen these gouges you speak of. I wonder if thats the results of MIM (uneven)?
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