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Old 03-22-2020, 12:11 PM
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How does cleaning media get into the flash hole?

I gets in there because it "just fits"! It isn't pressed in like a stud! Because the media "just fits" it will be easily be blown out by the primer ignition. Remember this is a pretty violent occurrence with lots of pressure. If it wasn't we'd be reading about this every day!

Go back to Post #38!

You're wearing me out!
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Old 03-22-2020, 12:23 PM
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If you are concerned about the corncob media getting in the flash hole/primer pocket, do what my buddy did - he got larger grain media from the pet store that would not fit inside the primer pocket, I think he said lizard cage litter. It worked very well for him. you can try that at some point after the oven drying process.

Oh, and it only takes a small amount of polish in the media, and run it in for about 20 minutes before putting cases in; that helps keep the media dry the polish a bit so it doesn't stick when the cases go in the dry-polish tumbling. Works for both vibratory polishers and tumblers.



I still have a couple of coffee cans of lizard bedding. It's cheap and very effective at cleaning. Leaves cases with a matte surface.

Corncob has been used lately just for polishing.

Possible, of course, but the more likely culprit is the cases were still damp. somehow.
As many have pointed out. (thanks)


My best guess is, like most problems, just didn't pay attention to details.
Got ahead of myself.

The press is sparkling clean. So are the dies and turrets.
I'll save the powder in the hopper, but clean the hopper, and safety prime plastic parts
with soap and water.

Two buckets of cases are in the oven. Bumped the temperature up to 225 F to get above
the boiling point of water?

And make sure everything is DRY before starting up again!

Thank you to all.

Sorry Fitch, We will probably never know for sure.
Sucks, don't it.
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Old 03-22-2020, 12:56 PM
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Welll, doggies.
Guess what I just found while putting a bunch of supposedly dry cases into the oven?

A 40 inside a 45 - with water in it.

A POX on 40s!
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Old 03-22-2020, 04:21 PM
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I still have a couple of coffee cans of lizard bedding. It's cheap and very effective at cleaning. Leaves cases with a matte surface.

Corncob has been used lately just for polishing.

Possible, of course, but the more likely culprit is the cases were still damp. somehow.
As many have pointed out. (thanks)


My best guess is, like most problems, just didn't pay attention to details.
Got ahead of myself.

The press is sparkling clean. So are the dies and turrets.
I'll save the powder in the hopper, but clean the hopper, and safety prime plastic parts
with soap and water.

Two buckets of cases are in the oven. Bumped the temperature up to 225 F to get above
the boiling point of water?

And make sure everything is DRY before starting up again!

Thank you to all.

Sorry Fitch, We will probably never know for sure.
Sucks, don't it.
It only sucks if you don't follow through!

Moisten a few cases and load then as usual. Let them sit overnight and see if they fire as designed.

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You are using flat pans instead of buckets in the oven, right? If the cases are stacked too deep, moisture gets trapped at the bottom of the bucket and the ones on the bottom may not get totally dry - try not to let the cases in the oven be more than two-deep.
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Old 03-22-2020, 06:18 PM
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Yes sir.
Single layer on dedicated cookie pans - and a sheet of parchment under the cases.
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Old 03-22-2020, 06:39 PM
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Yes sir.
Single layer on dedicated cookie pans - and a sheet of parchment under the cases.
cavelamb-

I may have misunderstood your process but it seems like you go through several extra steps? I always tell people that wet tumbling involves an extra step- decapping before you tumble. But in reading your process- you wet tumble, rinse, separate, load cookie sheets, oven dry, then go through another media tumbling process with nufinish, etc. seems like you are adding several extra steps to what should be a fairly straight forward process.

I decap, wet tumble, rinse (with a little AA W&W in the final rinse water) and pour out on a beach towel with a fan running over it for an hour. That's it. Although if you rinse in hot water, they dry in about 10 minutes.

What does the second round of [dry] tumbling do that the 1st cannot?
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:01 PM
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Makes them shiny.

So I'm OCD.
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:29 PM
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...or just dry tumble a little longer.
They get shiny and stay dry.
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Old 03-22-2020, 09:04 PM
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Makes them shiny.
I thought that was the reason most went to wet tumbling and away from dry....

This is an average a run of the mill batch.

If yours is much shinier than that, you'll needs shades to load indoors.
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Old 03-22-2020, 09:53 PM
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"The future is so bright I gotta wear shades!"

Truth is it's just a hold over from the ex who liked shiny things.
I skipped the dry tumble tonight.
Eliminate one more variable that way.

Got the press and tools all cleaned up and put back together.
Replaced the indexing gizzy - the little black plastic square that
makes the indexing rod turn. It decided it was worn out.
I had to agree, and had a spare.

All of my empty 9 and 45 brass was dried at 225 F for a long long long long time.
Long enough to darken the surface.
Doesn't hurt anything.

I made 28 rounds of 45.
The range doesn't open until Tuesday, so they can sit on the shelf and
contemplate their duty until then.

Then we will see what we will see.
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Old 03-23-2020, 07:48 AM
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cavelamb- I just noticed your location, where do you shoot?
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Old 03-23-2020, 08:59 AM
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Chandlers. Valley Mills

Where are you?
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Old 03-23-2020, 09:03 AM
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Make this a valid test!

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"The future is so bright I gotta wear shades!"

Truth is it's just a hold over from the ex who liked shiny things.
I skipped the dry tumble tonight.
Eliminate one more variable that way.

Got the press and tools all cleaned up and put back together.
Replaced the indexing gizzy - the little black plastic square that
makes the indexing rod turn. It decided it was worn out.
I had to agree, and had a spare.

All of my empty 9 and 45 brass was dried at 225 F for a long long long long time.
Long enough to darken the surface.
Doesn't hurt anything.

I made 28 rounds of 45.
The range doesn't open until Tuesday, so they can sit on the shelf and
contemplate their duty until then.

Then we will see what we will see.
In addition, in order to prove your hypothesis, dampen the inside of a few cases and load as usual see if any fail.

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Old 03-23-2020, 09:19 AM
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Chandlers. Valley Mills

Where are you?
About 40 miles south.... I'm out west of Belton.
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Old 03-23-2020, 06:44 PM
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I can't see the gain from wet cleaning other than "shine". They don't have to be squeaky clean, in fact squeaky clean like new brass causes issues for me. I have to use more spray lube on them to keep them from sticking on the expand/powder drop. Dry media tumble to get the rocks and what not out, light spray with one shot and into the hopper they go.
If some media is in the flash hole its punched out with the primer and down the tube to the bucket it goes. My stuff works great, maybe not so bright but it works.
Each to his own, have fun be safe.
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Old 03-23-2020, 07:03 PM
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I only care about the brass being clean and dry.
It's not like I'm entering it in the county fair.
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Old 03-23-2020, 07:40 PM
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I laugh every time people "knock the shine"... as if wet tumblers are so shallow that vanity rules the process. Not everyone wet tumbles for shine... the reality is that dry tumbling introduces a ton of dust, much of it harmful if you breath it. There are other considerations, too, but that's for another thread.
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Old 03-24-2020, 06:30 AM
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To me, I just wanted to get rid of the dust.
Fill the jug with water, Dawn and Lemi Shine. Turn on and roll for a couple hours.
Strain and dump out the water. Bake at 250.
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Welll, doggies.
Guess what I just found while putting a bunch of supposedly dry cases into the oven?

A 40 inside a 45 - with water in it.

A POX on 40s!
Yeah, a 10mm won't hide in a .45 ACP case but those dang Short and Weak cartridges are some kind of big government plot by Glockomahoid sufferers and manufacturers of small pistol primers to afflict those of us who adhere to the True Brotherhood of the ACP!
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I laugh every time people "knock the shine"... as if wet tumblers are so shallow that vanity rules the process. Not everyone wet tumbles for shine... the reality is that dry tumbling introduces a ton of dust, much of it harmful if you breath it. There are other considerations, too, but that's for another thread.
And when you dump that wash water that is filled with exactly the same harmful stuff the dust has down the drain where it goes into either the Ocean, nearest lake or ground water the world is better off how?
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And when you dump that wash water that is filled with exactly the same harmful stuff the dust has down the drain where it goes into either the Ocean, nearest lake or ground water the world is better off how?

Nope.
It goes to the local waste water processing facility -

which is already removing lead from the water.
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Old 03-25-2020, 06:21 AM
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Yeah, a 10mm won't hide in a .45 ACP case but those dang Short and Weak cartridges are some kind of big government plot by Glockomahoid sufferers and manufacturers of small pistol primers to afflict those of us who adhere to the True Brotherhood of the ACP!
Thatís one of the smartest things Iíve ever heard!
Never did like the fact that a cartridge was invented because the FBI couldnít recruit real men!
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Old 03-25-2020, 06:22 AM
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Nope.
It goes to the local waste water processing facility -

which is already removing lead from the water.
Yup, via the terlitt!
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Old 03-25-2020, 10:01 PM
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I remember in the long ago tumbling the whole mixed bag of range pickup together and hitting the quad a few times: a .45 ACP hiding a .40 S&W hiding a 9mm Luger hiding a .25 ACP. I would marvel at the reloading gods sometimes when this happened, at others I would utter words to these tricky inanimate objects a few of which were unpleasant. I ended up biting the bullet and now separate by caliber and tumble only 1 caliber at a time. Now there is only the odd occasion when a .40 will sneak into a .45, or a 9 into a .40 and I find this rarely. Of course there will always be small primer .45 for many a curse word...
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