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Old 02-07-2020, 08:44 PM
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I can't remember the charge weight but the lightest recoiling .45 ACP reloads I ever shot were something below the recommended charge of Trailboss behind a 200gr LSWC but the light charges of Clays and the same 200gr LSWC are also quite pleasant to shoot.
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Old 02-08-2020, 04:58 AM
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Another Big fan of Clays! 200 gr. SWC over 4.0 gr. of Clays. Soft shooting, and very clean burning. Best of luck with the elbow!
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Old 02-08-2020, 12:48 PM
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Tagged for interest. I am interested in a light shooting load for .45 as well. Thank you for all of the info.
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Old 02-08-2020, 05:12 PM
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I can't remember the charge weight but the lightest recoiling .45 ACP reloads I ever shot were something below the recommended charge of Trailboss behind a 200gr LSWC but the light charges of Clays and the same 200gr LSWC are also quite pleasant to shoot.
I believe doing that will require attention to the spring tension on the slide. Some of these loads out of spring context won't run in just any gun.
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Old 02-08-2020, 05:39 PM
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My target load is 4.4 gr of bullseye under a 230gr copper plated round nose (not sure if powder coated rounds are different) with an oal of 1.255. With my 5in RIA I feel barely anything. You may be able to go lower, but I haven't tried it.
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Old 02-08-2020, 06:45 PM
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4.0 Bullseye with 200 grain Xtreme RN plated, col 1.260. Shoots just fine in 5 1911s without changing springs.
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Old 02-08-2020, 10:13 PM
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Tagged for interest. I am interested in a light shooting load for .45 as well. Thank you for all of the info.
Same here.


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Old 02-08-2020, 11:30 PM
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I believe doing that will require attention to the spring tension on the slide. Some of these loads out of spring context won't run in just any gun.
True enough though the light Clays charges worked in a Taurus and a Springer with stock springs as did all but the lightest loads of Trailboss. I made a few rounds with the TB that were so light that the brass didn't so much eject as it did wallow across the top of my right hand and fall on the ground at my feet!

Those were a touch light...



I couldn't believe the pistol cycled like that and a couple of tenths more worked fine. Sorry I don't remember what the charges were and I am away from home so I don't have access to my notes.

The Trailboss loads came from an older gentleman who had wrist injuries and had to be careful of recoil. It is a powder that is overlooked for .45 ACP but it works well and can be the softest shooting loads available.
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Old 02-11-2020, 02:59 AM
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.45acp loads

I shoot Wild Bunch so I have to meet a minimum power factor of 150. So 4.2 grn of Bullseye under 200 grn cast SWC or LRN gives 790fps. So 200X790/1000=158 power factor. I find these loads very manageable. Thanks. PS I always resize to .451 for easy no-flaw chambering.
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Old 02-11-2020, 09:32 PM
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4.5 grains of 700X under 200 gr Extreme HP
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Old 02-12-2020, 03:38 AM
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Low power .45acp reloads.....

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4.0 Bullseye with 200 grain Xtreme RN plated, col 1.260. Shoots just fine in 5 1911s without changing springs.
I have never found FMJ round nose, nor plated bullets, to produce optimal accuracy in my 1911 and STI 2011 guns. I shoot more 9mm bullets now, rather than .45acp, and have found that a good JHP bullet works best. I use the same brand .355" diameter 124 grain JHP bullet in 9mm and most .38 super loads, with excellent accuracy. I tailor my reloads for competitive shooting, and may shoot a 124 gr. JHP bullet in a 9mm for IDPA that leaves the muzzle at roughly 1,030 fps, or a .38 super self defense load using 125 gr. Speer Gold Dots that leave the muzzle at 1,300+ fps......which produces very good expansion of the bullet.....

I also use a 124 gr. JHP bullet for USPSA in my compensated 9mm race gun with an STI Tru Bor barrel, with HS-6 powder to make 9mm Major. I use the same bullet and velocity as my IDPA load for shooting Action Steel in my 9mm race gun, but use a lighter mainspring and recoil spring and the gun works great!

When conducting range practice, it is all about sight picture, trigger control, and consistent shot placement on the target....so even using a light or hot 9mm Major load will help to maintain your technique, and making 9mm reloads is quite a bit less expensive cost to reload than .45acp.....

When it comes to shooting "fast and accurately," the lighter recoil impulse of a 9mm Major load that leaves the muzzle at 1,350 fps can be a very effective self defense round.....so what is better for self defense....? Two very fast 9mm Major rounds or one .45acp round....? Do you want a 1911 .45acp with 8+1 rounds, or an STI 2011 .38 super with 17+1 rounds and eliminate a reload for most any SD confrontation...? It is all a matter of preference.....

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Old 02-12-2020, 01:04 PM
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The OP has constraints:
1-Duty gun with 18.5 lb spring
2-185 or 230 gr bullets available

I concur with Nitro that a good load would be 4.8 hp38/231 with the 230 gr bullet.
The OP may even be able to go less than 4.8 and still function if the action is slick enough.
If no hp38 or 231 is available, I would look at any fast burning fine grain powder.
Perhaps Titegroup or Bullseye. Maybe IMR Target, WST, Clays.
Sometimes you gotta run with whatever you can find and make it work.
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Old 02-16-2020, 11:19 PM
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I've had tennis elbow in both arms over the years and the best thing for me was to use a heating pad for 10-20minutes wrapped around my forearm and elbow before shooting, to loosen everything up and a few minutes of stretching your wrist... and then a cold pack after shooting. That was the only way I could shoot without pain.

The risk you run is that shooting with the pain will cause you to develop a weaker grip to avoid the pain... which will hurt your shooting. The heat pack allows you to shoot without pain so it won't hurt your shooting. Plus heat/ice alternation like that increases blood flow to the area and will help it heal a little faster.
This is good advice. When I was trying to go to instructor school I was also going to college part time and working a detective loan. All of the shooting and typing gave me both tennis elbow and carpal tunnel. It took 3-4 years of physical therapy and making a real effort to take care of my arm before the pain went away and strength came back.

To this day, 15 years later, when it gets cold and damp at night I have to wear a compression wrap on my shooting elbow or it will start to ache.
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Old 02-17-2020, 09:31 AM
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The OP has constraints:
1-Duty gun with 18.5 lb spring
2-185 or 230 gr bullets available
Yeah, but those aren't too restrictive... that's 2 of the 3 popular/standard weights and he just wants to shoot something softer than his HST duty ammo.

I have been as far as 0.5 gr. below "book start loads" in both weights with Bullseye and they run my stock sprung guns.

Lots of good ideas already given so I'll only add this- the data from the Lyman cast bullet handbook for reference since his bullets are lead. OP- load a couple at Min with what you have and see if they run your gun... you can adjust up or even down slightly if needed. Good luck!
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Old 02-17-2020, 11:56 AM
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I too have had great luck with 4.0g of Bullseye. A light charge of Clays is also worth trying. Some good advice here.
Takes a good powder measure to be reliably metered out.
A Uniflow with small rotor and some polishing work is adequate.
A micrometer head makes it easier to dial in.

A powder baffle in the hopper is also required.
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Old 03-11-2020, 10:22 PM
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Didn’t see but tendinitis in your elbow? It likely isn’t your load data, it is you. Look up shooters elbow. Lots of exercises you can do that prevent it. Spend the time exercising/ stretching vs reloading.
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Old 03-11-2020, 10:24 PM
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Sorry, I did see, right elbow. Steve Anderson speaks a lot about it, very common issue and I have had it in both elbows.
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Old 03-13-2020, 05:15 AM
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Tendonitis.....

Tendonitis is usually caused by putting excessive repetitive force on the tendons and joints.

When I shot USPSA with the higher power factor, I was shooting 115 grain reloads we jokingly called "pocket rockets" since they left the muzzle well over 1,400 ft/sec. I exercised frequently, and was and still am a weight lifter, never used steroids, and lifted very heavy weights...…

I developed "tendonitis" in both elbows.....I feel it was the combination of the stout recoil impulse of my reloads, using an isosceles shooting stance, and the fact I was shooting about 20,000 rounds of my stout reloads per year...… I had to quit shooting for about 7 months until my elbows healed, and within that time USPSA lowered the power factor, which helped to lower the recoil impulse on a shooter's elbows, and also improved the longevity of the handguns used....
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Old 03-15-2020, 10:51 AM
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I can't speak for 185gr bullets, as I don't load them. For 200/230gr bullets, I load 4.0grs Bullseye. I've been loading this load for me and buddies for years, works in everyone's factory guns, and a couple Customs also. Super light and accurate as hell! Have Fun!
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Old 03-15-2020, 02:04 PM
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I can't speak for 185gr bullets, as I don't load them. For 200/230gr bullets, I load 4.0grs Bullseye. I've been loading this load for me and buddies for years, works in everyone's factory guns, and a couple Customs also. Super light and accurate as hell! Have Fun!
When the lighting is right you can almost see them going downrange.
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Old 03-15-2020, 04:22 PM
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Just loaded up 200 rounds of .230 berrys plated over 4.2 of Bullseye. Also loaded 200 .200 swc (coated Missouri bullet) over 3.8 of Clays.

Both shoot great and function perfect. Both are way soft shooting compared to factory loads.
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Old 03-15-2020, 06:50 PM
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When the lighting is right you can almost see them going downrange.
With Plated 185's (they have a shiny backside) you can see them like tracers if there is a light source behind you!
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Old 03-16-2020, 03:29 AM
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I love 4.0 grains of bullseye under 230 gr plated or lead. Nice soft shooting load .
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