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Old 01-24-2020, 07:45 PM
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1952 Government Model...

I was born in 1952....have tried to colect a few guns also "born" in 1952...

My first one was a Colt Commander in .38 Super bought in 1980 from a coworker when I was with Dallas PD. I carried that gun daily till 2007.





Second was also a .38 Super Commander. It was at a table at a gun show for several years until a friend bought it in about 2002. They ended up wanting to sell it in about 2004 and in 2005 I gave to Jody Joseph at JoJos Gunsmithing to be turned into a custom carry piece. Came back in 2006 and after reliability testing replaced the blue gun as the daily carry gun...and I just took it off.





Next was an accident. Made a comment over on the S&W Forums abouit wanting to one day get an early 1950s pre-27 .357 Magnum. A few weeks later a member sent me a pm asking if I would be interested in a 6.5" made in 1952... I thought about it and was about to turn it down when he wrote that he had the S&W letter dating the gun to May 21, 1952...the day I was born...so my next question was..."how much is the postage".





Next was a S&W pre-17. I had a 1951. A friend had a 1952 that he was going to sell...so we swapped. Only difference is that his gun had a Target Hammer and mine had the standard Service Hammer. Both had numbered to the gun Magna grips.

I've never really looked at S&W Heavy Duty revolvers as I was never into .38 Special...but then I read a little about the .38-44 cartridge and thought that a 4" would be a nice companion to the pre-27...that tirned out to be a 6" not a 6.5. Look on GB but several 1952 vintage guns go by all over a grand... Finally bid on a nice clean 4" and get it for $805... Has been such a SWEET shooter with heavy .38 +P+ loads... All original right down to the numbered grips.





...and so today a friend is taking me to an indoor range he belongs to. On the way we stop at a very nice gun shop that I only get to a couple times a year.... There on the used shelf is this lonely looking 1911...a .38 Super...older one... Get a clerk, he gets it out...I'm looking at it...pretty reasonable price...it is on consignment... 100K serial number...but I have no clue of the age...I'm thinking 1960s... Clerk rolls the tag over and it says...1952...I said "sold".

Got it home...a few scratches on the slide and frame. Grips are the nicest I've seen...no shrinkage or cracking around the screws. Take it down and it has hardly been shot...very little bluing loss on the barrel or frame rails...

Not expecting anything great in the accuracy department as it has the original headspace on the casemoth barrel but will just be a fun shooter...










...a good day....

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Old 01-24-2020, 07:56 PM
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Very nice collection of Colts and S&Ws
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Old 01-24-2020, 08:14 PM
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Excellent finds on the vintage .38 Supers. Love that Heavy Duty.
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Old 01-24-2020, 08:45 PM
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Nice find. Just to be a nomenclature nazi though, the Super .38 was not called a Government Model. Only the .45 was. Yours is simply a Colt Super .38 Automatic Pistol.
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Old 01-24-2020, 10:46 PM
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M27-2 and National Match.

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Old 01-24-2020, 10:50 PM
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Heavy Duty.



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Old 01-25-2020, 04:27 AM
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That’s a beautiful ‘52 Super, Bob! She just oozes class!!
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Old 01-25-2020, 06:45 AM
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You are of course right dsk... I just think of all full size guns as GMs or Gold Cups...

NICE gun and holster fn....what is the leather? And what year is the gun?

....and thanks everyone else...
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Old 01-25-2020, 08:16 AM
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I can't help myself. You show me yours and I'll show you mine.
A 1952 Government Model, 257072-C, original, nearly perfect pistol. Probably a late, mid year 1952 production pistol. The roll marks are exquisite.
Box has seen better days but it is original to the pistol. Colt papers yellowed but undamaged.
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Old 01-25-2020, 08:19 AM
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I can't help myself. You show me yours and I'll show you mine.

A 1952 Government Model, 257072-C, original, nearly perfect pistol. Probably a late, mid year 1952 production pistol. The roll marks are exquisite.

Box has seen better days but it is original to the pistol. Colt papers yellowed but undamaged.

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Thatís beautiful Iíve really come to appreciate the older 1911s


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The early 1950s Colt 1911s are very difficult to find as production numbers were quite low. Colt had to compete with the scores of GI bring-backs already out there along with the fact that revolvers continued to be more popular with shooters. I searched high and low for decades before finally stumbling on the 1952 example shown at the top in these pictures. By contrast the mid-1960s and later guns are much easier to find as the 1911's popularity finally bloomed at long last and Colt began to turn them out in quantity. At the bottom is a 1966 example showing the difference in rollmarks.



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Old 01-25-2020, 11:42 AM
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You are of course right dsk... I just think of all full size guns a GMs or Gold Cups...

NICE gun and holster fn....what is the leather? And what year is the gun?

....and thanks everyone else...
The leather is Milt Sparks AW200 with elephant hide. I believe that my Heavy Duty is one of the post-war models in the early 1950s before it became the M20.
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Old 01-25-2020, 12:56 PM
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Wow, nice group of "birthday" guns.
One day I'd like a .38-44 HD.
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Old 01-25-2020, 11:01 PM
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Thanks...I knew the brand and model of the holster as a friend has several...was just wondering if that was elephant...very nice...

I've had 6 Commanders dating from 1951 to 1956 but this is my first Super .38, GM size gun, from that period.

Hope to shoot it tomorrow and took the original grips off and put a nice set of Eagle Double Diamond walnut on instead... Don't want to take the chance of cracking them. Surprisingly they came right off and weren't overly tight from shrinkage...
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Old 01-26-2020, 08:13 AM
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If you leave the original grips off the pistol for any appreciable amount of time, the grips will shrink at the grip screw holes, you'll never get them to fit properly and you are screwed. (no pun intended). I'd recommend you reinstall the original grips as soon after shooting as possible.
Another alternative to minimizing the shrinkage is to make a "device" that replicates the grip screw separation and size of the grip screw hole. Keeps tension on the grip screw holes and mitigates shrinkage.
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Old 01-26-2020, 10:43 AM
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I've got a very nice Smith & Wesson Pre-Model 14, K-38 Masterpiece, .38 Special, 5-screw, Ser# K138XXX, made in 1952. One of my personal favorites.They just don't make them like that anymore.



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Old 01-26-2020, 10:58 AM
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I've got a very nice Smith & Wesson Pre-Model 14, K-38 Masterpiece, .38 Special, 5-screw, Ser# K138XXX, made in 1952. One of my personal favorites.They just don't make them like that anymore.
That's a beauty!
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Old 01-26-2020, 02:10 PM
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Beautiful Model 14...first centerfire handgun I ever shot was a 60s vintage 14 that belonged to my best friend's father.

Thanks filson...had not thought of that... Since this gun will be rarely shot I'll put them back on after I clean it...

Put two magazines of ammo through the gun today after an IDPA shoot. Went to the outdoor range and the sun was right above the berm making seeing the sights almost impossible. Did manage to hit some steel plates with about 16 out of the 18 rounds...the trigger pull is heavy....but probably will never be messed with.

In the next week or so I'm going to another range where the light conditions are better and run some more ammo through it just to see how it groups... Then will be cleaned and put away for a while...with the original grips on...

Was looking at old Super .38s over on GunBroker and there is a late 40s or early 50s that has the worst set of grip shrinking/warpage I have ever seen...

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Just had to add this one; the LW Commander from 1951.
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Old 01-26-2020, 08:12 PM
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gc45, your pictures always come out outstanding. Just the right lighting and camera angles. You could even make a Glock look good (well, almost...).
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:47 AM
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Thanks but I get no credit on this one; Mark Wiprud took this photo but the pistol is mine.
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Old 01-27-2020, 07:49 PM
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Nice Commander...all of mine from that period have been modified in some way...
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That’s awesome you have a lettered S&W from the day you were born!
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Just had to add this one; the LW Commander from 1951.
Ooof! That is sweet!!
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Old 02-01-2020, 06:40 AM
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Certainly not in the same league as everyoneís early Ď50s Supers. But I do love my old Super c. 1966.

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