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Old 12-05-2019, 02:24 PM
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Maybe so, I haven't had the disconnector out to check.
I don't know what that sear spring would do to a milled disconnector, but I am not going to find out, it went straight to the trash.
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Old 12-05-2019, 03:37 PM
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Iíve got two Dan Wesson Guardian 9mms and they have both been very reliable.
Two PM9's, the same. Highly reliable.
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Old 12-05-2019, 04:24 PM
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I have a TCP. Ive had some challenges with ammo and empty mags locking the slide back.

Ammo- My preferred ammo for IDPA is 147 grn FMJ- with Blazers, I couldnít make it work with any mag. However, with 147 Speer Lawmnan it works fine. Also works fine with 124 and 115 FMJs.

The factory mags were inconsistent with locking the slide back when empty. However, my DP, Wilson, Tripp and Brownells mags always did.

That said, am about 700 rounds thru the gun. With right ammo- its a sewing machine. I do like it
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Old 12-05-2019, 07:20 PM
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I also have a 9mm Valkyrie commander, not had it long but about 500 flawless rounds so far.
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Old 12-06-2019, 02:26 PM
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What Harrish and others have said. We started with the Wife's PM-9. That has run perfect 100% if she does her job and I replace the recoil spring yearly. She shot it in IDPA/USPSA exclusively for 3 years until she got a semi-custom 9mm optic 1911 last year which also has been perfect after about 800 rounds of break-in. It was TIGHT. We've got a total of 6 9mm 1911's. 4 of them DW's and they all run 100% after maybe a couple minor break-in issues. In out 5" guns we run Tripp Cobra 10 rd. mags exclusively.
My latest is a Remsport optic slide fitted to a 9mm Valor frame. The slide was fitted to the frame instead of vice versa and it's TIGHT. I'm looking forward to getting it broken in this winter so it's ready for IDPA CO next spring.
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Old 12-07-2019, 06:00 AM
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the little semicircle notch in the bottom of the slide is the disconnector notch. are you saying your notch was never there to begin with?

you would not have trigger function without this notch being in the slide.

I would add that Springer MIM disconnectors from the guns I have messed with have a sharp tip. Add the 9mm lighter recoil spring and when HAND MANIPULATION OF RIDING THE SLIDE FWD will cause a slide hang up on the disconnector.

if the pistol functions fine while shooting it.... there is not an issue.

If I recall correctly, you never shorten the disconnector. I have mildly dehorned the sharp edge but the WCBP disconnector dropped in, function checked and is a much smoother top edge than the factory MIM disconnector.
I don't recall seeing the notch. Now maybe they cleaned it up some, polished it, or made it deeper or sometime but it's definitely more noticeable than it used to be. I'll be honest as the gun was brand new I really didn't muck with it much as it was under warranty other than cleaning it.

Yes it was hanging on the disconector from what several people told me as I could feel it dragging if I manually manipulated the slide and it would hang up in the most rearward position with or without a mag inserted and I'd have to really wack the slide to get it to move forward into battery. Now it seems to work much better.

The whole point of my questions was I've always been a DW fan but after this issues I was hearing things like "Oh that's a common issue with 9mm 1911's" so I couldn't see spending $1,400 plus to have issues with a DW on just a fun range gun.
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Old 12-07-2019, 09:37 AM
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Snooking Naples. You missed out on a fine handgun due to rumors.
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Old 12-07-2019, 03:13 PM
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I don't recall seeing the notch. Now maybe they cleaned it up some, polished it, or made it deeper or sometime but it's definitely more noticeable than it used to be. I'll be honest as the gun was brand new I really didn't muck with it much as it was under warranty other than cleaning it.

Yes it was hanging on the disconector from what several people told me as I could feel it dragging if I manually manipulated the slide and it would hang up in the most rearward position with or without a mag inserted and I'd have to really wack the slide to get it to move forward into battery. Now it seems to work much better.

The whole point of my questions was I've always been a DW fan but after this issues I was hearing things like "Oh that's a common issue with 9mm 1911's" so I couldn't see spending $1,400 plus to have issues with a DW on just a fun range gun.
Dan Wesson was making 9mm 1911's that run before they became mainstream and "cool". DW and Wilson Combat are probably the top two companies for making 9mm's that function right.
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Old 12-07-2019, 03:31 PM
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I own numerous DW 1911's in .45 but I really enjoy shooting and with the coast of ammo I'm seriously considering picking up a DW 1911 in 9mm in addition to the new DWX in the near future. I plan to shoot it in local fun matches and steel matches where I can run a 9mm without any worries about major vs minor. The last steel shoot I shot I almost went through an entire 1000 round case of 9mm so the cost adds up quickly.

I did pick up a Springfield RO in 9mm from a buddy who owns a gun shop but I've already had to ship it back to S.A. due to the slide locking back. While it appears to be fixed I'm still not 100% confident in it right now. I was told this is a common issue with 9mm 1911's and I'm wondering if this is also an issue with ALL 9mm 1911's including DW's and if so then perhaps I should just skip it and stick with .45 in the 1911's and get the DWX or a CZ Shadow 2 or A01 for 9mm.

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I'll let you know my own experiences soon. I just added a new Valor Commander 9mm and have ordered a new PM-C 9mm.

I've had experience with only one other 9mm 1911. It's my 5" Range Officer. The only issues that occurred were with the new factory magazines being used for the first time. Next few sessions had the left loaded for several days prior. Seemed to help the springs.

I'm looking forward to getting these 9mm running.

I plan on carrying that PM-C often......and shooting it a ton.




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Dont take this info the wrong way....

1911s can be quirky.

Those who own 1911s need to become schooled in how it works and make the minor adjustments as needed to run.

Off all the 9mm 1911s I owned, and one being a DW Valkryie.... they ran 100%.

if it were my piece, I would examine the slide off frame and see how each mag follower interacts with the slide stop lug. It could be a variety of minor issues that could be a quick fix. it could be an issue with the plunger tube detents or spring ..... so many potentials. It could be the mags.

Yes, you can send it back for repair.... but I like to find the issue myself.

good luck


Well said. I agree with the benefits of figuring things out being being well worth th effort.




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I have 6 Dan Wesson 9mm Pistols, 6 Wilson Combat 9mm Pistols, and several other 9mm 1911s from a few other makers. In the past 2 years I have put over 30,000 rounds through these 1911 9mm pistols. I have run over a dozen types of range ammo, and over a dozen types of defensive ammo. I have NOT HAD A SINGLE FAILURE OF ANY KIND. Not a Jam, Not a Failure to feed, nothing.

The ONLY "issue" I have ever had with any of these 9mm 1911 pistols, has been the slide not locking back on the last round during the first 500 rounds of break in when using 115gr 9mm ammo. That has only been with two of my Wilsons (because they are so tight and need to fit themselves together). That's why Most 1911 manufacturers recommend using 124gr during the break period.

You can listen to the talking heads or you can listen to someone who puts 500 rounds of 9mm through his 1911s each week.

FYI, The Dan Wesson 9mm pistols are the ABSOLUTE SOFTEST SHOOTING 1911 9MM PISTOLS ON THE MARKET. I have shot them all. Even DWs Lightweight aluminum framed 9mm 1911s (Valkyrie, Vigil, Guardian, ECP/TCP, etc), have less recoil than my all steel Wilson Combat 9mm 1911s. This is intentional by the way. Keith at DW set out to make their 9mm pistols the softest shooting on the market by figuring out the perfect combination of mainspring weight, recoil spring weight, and Firing Pin Stop radius. They have it down to a science. All the other manufacturers leave a lot of recoil mitigation on the table, and let you figure it out.

The only softer shooting 9mm 1911 carry pistol I'm aware of, is the Wilson Combat Carry Comp. The barrel and comp are made of 1 piece of steel. The tiny comp is brilliantly designed to virtually eliminate recoil. But as far as a non-comped 9mm 1911, NO ONE makes a softer shooting 9mm 1911 than DW.

I have written several articles about DW pistols for TFB and TTAG. Check them out. I even wrote up an extensive comparison of a DW and WC pistol for TFB. I think it's a pretty interesting read. Good Luck! Can't go wrong with DW 9mm 1911 pistols. Easily the best value in the 1911 world.


Now I'm really feeling better about the two new DW 9mm I've bought.
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Old 12-07-2019, 05:31 PM
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My Valor Commander in 9mm has been solid since day 1!!
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Old 12-07-2019, 10:34 PM
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I have a 9mm Valkyrie Commander. I love the gun, but it has had some quirks. It is ammo sensitive and the trigger stacks up intermittently. I have not contacted DW about it yet.

One Wilson ETM mag works fine while the other fails to lock back after the last round.

It is very accurate and a pleasure to shoot. I need to get the trigger problem addressed before I carry it for protection.
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Old 12-08-2019, 01:06 PM
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Mine had trouble extracting after about 300 rounds. A visit to the factory and it's been amazing ever since. I simply can't run a pistol with an extended slide stop, no matter what I do to my grip, so I asked for a standard/low profile one to be fitted, which cost me $50. Not bad when I just asked for a slide stop and extractions to be fixed.

The job sheet was as follows -
1. New low-profile slide stop installed (50.00)
2. Chamber was reamed and honed
3. Feed ramp was deburred/polished
4. Extractor was replaced
5. #2 barrel link was installed
6. Thumb safety was dehorned and re-finished
7. Magazine catch was clearance cut
8. Fire-control polished
9. Grip safety deburred
10. Trigger tuned to 1 ĺ# X 3 Ĺ#
11. Trigger over-travel screw adjusted


To get an idea of the volume of shooting - I have over 30 magazines, reload my own practice and match ammo, and buy primers by the packs of 10k. The Valor is my IDPA gun, and I'm looking at USPSA next year.
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Old 12-08-2019, 01:41 PM
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I own both a Pointman 9 and an ECO 9. In 7 years of shooting them - I've never had a single failure in either gun shooting a myriad of different ammo.
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Old 01-01-2020, 12:03 AM
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I have a 9mm specialist with additional .38 S Barrel. Been 100 reliable with both rounds using factory and WC mags
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Old 01-01-2020, 08:00 PM
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I have a Valkyrie and a ECO in 9mm. The Valkyrie had to go back, as on one of the factory mags, the follower would ride up over the slide stop on the last round. The replaced the slide stop and the magazines.

I was still having a problem with not locking back on the last round with both of them, but it ended up being an issue with my grip, not with the guns (my left thumb was impeding the upward movement of the slide stop). They are both perfect after I corrected my grip.

YMMV

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Old 01-01-2020, 09:19 PM
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I have 6 Dan Wesson 9mm Pistols, 6 Wilson Combat 9mm Pistols, and several other 9mm 1911s from a few other makers. In the past 2 years I have put over 30,000 rounds through these 1911 9mm pistols. I have run over a dozen types of range ammo, and over a dozen types of defensive ammo. I have NOT HAD A SINGLE FAILURE OF ANY KIND. Not a Jam, Not a Failure to feed, nothing.

The ONLY "issue" I have ever had with any of these 9mm 1911 pistols, has been the slide not locking back on the last round during the first 500 rounds of break in when using 115gr 9mm ammo. That has only been with two of my Wilsons (because they are so tight and need to fit themselves together). That's why Most 1911 manufacturers recommend using 124gr during the break period.

You can listen to the talking heads or you can listen to someone who puts 500 rounds of 9mm through his 1911s each week.

FYI, The Dan Wesson 9mm pistols are the ABSOLUTE SOFTEST SHOOTING 1911 9MM PISTOLS ON THE MARKET. I have shot them all.

....... But as far as a non-comped 9mm 1911, NO ONE makes a softer shooting 9mm 1911 than DW......
The problem with absolutes is....they're not.

You would change your mind if you shot a Baer Mono Heavyweight in 9mm. I've shot the Baer and the PM -9 side by side. It's not even close.
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Old 01-02-2020, 04:12 PM
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I'm sure the heavier frame of the Baer Monolith makes it a very soft shooter. It probably wouldn't make weight if trying to use it for USPSA Single Stack, though. A PM-9 barely makes weight.
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Old 01-02-2020, 04:36 PM
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I'm sure the heavier frame of the Baer Monolith makes it a very soft shooter. It probably wouldn't make weight if trying to use it for USPSA Single Stack, though. A PM-9 barely makes weight.
It does make a huge difference. Hence my comment to Harrish regarding absolutes.
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Old 01-02-2020, 05:05 PM
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I have an ECO and a VBOB in 9mm. Both have been very reliable. The ECO needed a few hundred rounds to break in, while the VBOB worked pretty much out of the gate with anything I threw at it. The VBOB has been back to DW for some custom work, and I have more than 5,000 rounds through it so far.

Hope that helps...
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Old 01-02-2020, 05:24 PM
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I have a DW 9mm Valkyrie Commander, so far it's 100%. I have fired 400 to 500 rounds mostly factory loads in it. The only gun I've ever had that locked back before empty was a Kimber .45, I had to dimple the slide stop to correct it. I think it would lock back on the next to last round about half the time. I didn't want to fool with returning it to Kimber. Had it been a DW I would return it to DW for repair.
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Old 01-03-2020, 08:33 AM
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I have a very inexpensive 9mm 1911 Kimber that has been 100% reliable with all ammo and never a failure of any kind, not to mention very accurate. The only negative I would give it is that loading any mag, including Wilson's to capacity is a challenge.
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Old 01-03-2020, 11:33 AM
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It does make a huge difference. Hence my comment to Harrish regarding absolutes.
I am sure I would love shooting a Monolith. Santa didn't bring me one.
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Old 01-03-2020, 03:23 PM
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Dan Wesson was making 9mm 1911's that run before they became mainstream and "cool". DW and Wilson Combat are probably the top two companies for making 9mm's that function right.
Absolutely true. I have numerous examples of each and have over 30K rounds through them combined in the last 18 months. Not a single freaking failure of any kind with over a dozen types of factory ammo and mags from 6 manufacturers!

None of them ever had to go back to the manufacturer for repair; only Custom Work or sight changes. The only "issue" I have had; during the first 500 rounds one of them would not lock back the slide on the last round with 115gr ammo. With 124gr it would lock back all day. The gun was so tight it needed a few rounds to smooth out. After 800 rounds, 115gr locks it back fine. That's it.

I run my guns very well lubed, and I change the recoil springs every 3K rounds or so.

Since I started buying quality 1911s like DW and WC, I cannot remember the last time I had an actual failure, FTE, mis-feed, mis-fire and so on. Nothing but click and bang over here.
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Old 01-03-2020, 03:27 PM
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The problem with absolutes is....they're not.

You would change your mind if you shot a Baer Mono Heavyweight in 9mm. I've shot the Baer and the PM -9 side by side. It's not even close.
I have shot a Les Bear Monolith, STI Monolith-type (own a DVC L), and a Guncrafter; they all performed exactly like I would expect a 50+ ounce gun to perform. Recoil is super soft. Not nearly as soft as my Wilson Carry Comp, but it is not fair to compare a comped gun to a non-comped one. Just as it is not fair to compare a monolith framed gun to a standard framed gun. Apples and Oranges my friend.
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Old 01-03-2020, 03:42 PM
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I have shot a Les Bear Monolith, STI Monolith-type (own a DVC L), and a Guncrafter; they all performed exactly like I would expect a 50+ ounce gun to perform. Recoil is super soft. Not nearly as soft as my Wilson Carry Comp, but it is not fair to compare a comped gun to a non-comped one. Just as it is not fair to compare a monolith framed gun to a standard framed gun. Apples and Oranges my friend.
That's why I had to challenge you when you state DW was the softest shooting NON COMPED 9mm on the market. It's not. Nothing is absolute.

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